Contemporary art of Ukraine (without revolution) - Страница 33 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

gans · 17.02.2010, 01:06

Interview with Paul poppy.

- We must admit that in recent years the art of moving in the direction of the show. I see in this global problem, because the artist in this case remains a sector devoted to thinking, of thinking. Sobering thought that, as the philosopher Merab Mamardashvili as truth dearer homeland is more important than the state. This idea, which must dare to think out to the end. Because, if we do not think that our homeland and the state will remain in full ass. And this is scary. After dodumyvanie this idea until the end leads to the discovery that we were a little there.

- But we also can not just pick and tear art from reality?

- No, this is impossible, if only because that art is an integral part of this reality, and the show - is also one of its parts. Another question that if the youth in the 1970's, I perceived, for example, "Fahrenheit 456" by Ray Bradbury as a sad anti-Utopia, now embodied all we really live in it. In general, indeed, can my claim to the society to make sense?

- But you're it opponiruesh?

- I rather counterwork profanation meanings. After the show actually destroys the senses. And then life is filled with a jelly-like emptiness. It seems to be something around there, but do not rely on that. Do something to try to pick up, and it seeps through your fingers. Then it becomes clear what's what. Let's just say, nothing is transformed into the form. And once again reminded Mamardashvili. He defined this state as infantilism. The philosopher spoke of the Soviet society, but I think in our society's position strong as ever. And they manifest themselves primarily in the complete absence of responsibility. Dominated by the desire that you all gave. Moreover, the desire something quickly and without much difficulty to get propagated as psychology. People do not have time to even think about whether they should, in fact, things that they so zealously and passionately trying to master.

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noart · 01.03.2010, 14:03

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and that, and then, and still - vile and bezchelovechno! - That is, apparently, contemporary.

NO NOT QUITE. Can not be based on what kind of contemporary shows us Pinchuk ))

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Chichkan and Weisberg have been sold, possibly Chesnokov. By Tsygalov and Mamsikovu may have been tentative agreements gallerists. Roitburd went off on a 100%appointment. Paid in full for all costs and margins itself. But now-№ 1.

This is ridiculous. None of this cohort. Honestly was not purchased. Simply auction technology. For auctions, too, there is a crisis -))

gans · 01.03.2010, 22:36

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None of this cohort. Honestly was not purchased. Simply auction technology.

bullshit! Like everything he writes noart.

Posav · 01.03.2010, 23:40

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Complete nonsense! Like everything he writes noart.

Well why not? I've been thinking that may actually be fictitious sale at auction as part of marketing.

noart · 02.03.2010, 11:40

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Well, why not? I've been thinking that may actually be fictitious sale at auction as part of marketing.

C our artists to appear spontaneously in these auctions was so.
The calculation was one - to fix prices and then successfully sell it. No, but what honest sales can be no question. But this technology has not worked, where it worked in our country and all. Although the whole exercise was for our customers. Very simple technology. now can happen so that they become hostage to these prices. not who they are not buying at prices that are trumpeted from the auction.
Not who our artists do not need, except for local businessmen. In order that would interest the collector from the West, need more than natural hit on the auction.

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Well, why not? I've been thinking that may actually be fictitious sale at auction as part of marketing.

Vassily Tsagolov Auction Results

Vassily Tsagolov Auction Archive
2010 1 lots (1 results, 100%unsold)

Auction Results
Premium is the auction house commission. It is added to the winning bid and charged to the buyer. To allow a comparison of winning bids and auction house estimates, the amounts below do not include buyer's premium, unless explicitly stated. Only contemporary art auctions after November 1, 2006 are included. The results do not include all actions at all auction houses.

Phillips De Pury, Contemporary Art Day Sale, London, February 13, 2010

Lot: 182
First Day at School from X-Fil ...
Oil on canvas. 180 x 280 cm (70 7 /8 x 110 1 /4 in). Estimate: £ 25,000 - £ 35,000 unsold /withdrawn

Alexander Roitburd Auction Results

Alexander Roitburd Auction Archive
2010 1 lots (1 results, 0%unsold)

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What is not much going Ukrainians -)))

Veronic · 02.03.2010, 12:50

To be honest, I do not understand these auctions.
You write that there are very here-and indeed result
Alexander Roitburd Auction Archive
2010 1 lots (1 results, 0%unsold) - That's like selling?

Oleg Tistol Auction Archive
2010 2 lots (2 results, 0%unsold)is also sold like?

2009 2 lots (2 results, 50%unsold)and this means that one lot is sold, and the second not?

Someone can explain?

There are still questions if the picture is exhibited with a high estimate: the auction and not sold, what it means for the artist?

noart · 02.03.2010, 13:27

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To be honest, I do not understand these auctions.
You write that there are very here-and indeed result
Alexander Roitburd Auction Archive
2010 1 lots (1 results, 0%unsold) - That's like selling?

Oleg Tistol Auction Archive
2010 2 lots (2 results, 0%unsold)is also sold like?

2009 2 lots (2 results, 50%unsold)and this means that one lot is sold, and the second not?
Someone can explain?

There are still questions if the picture is exhibited with a high estimate: the auction and not sold, what it means for an artist?

It is simply removed from the lot. But as you know, they're not as themselves could not appear. So who is there to put up. This suggests that the one who put up, will pay a percentage of the estimate. The scheme is simple and the auction still who will be there and that - the main thing that they will pay the percentage

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And here's another))
Yuri Solomko Auction Results

Yuri Solomko Auction Archive
2010 1 lots (1 results, 100%unsold)

Auction Results
Premium is the auction house commission. It is added to the winning bid and charged to the buyer. To allow a comparison of winning bids and auction house estimates, the amounts below do not include buyer's premium, unless explicitly stated. Only contemporary art auctions after November 1, 2006 are included. The results do not include all actions at all auction houses.

Phillips De Pury, Contemporary Art Day Sale, London, February 13, 2010

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Konstantin · 02.03.2010, 13:58

noart why do people break zastvllyat eyes and guess what sold and what is not.
Everything is in our database.

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Title Roitburd versus Caravaggio Opus#10
Date 13/02/2010
Auction house PhillipsDePury, London (GB)
Lot 177
Estimate 25 000 - 35 000 GBP (39 225 - 54 915 USD, 28 787 - 40 302 EUR)
The result of 34 850 GBP (54 680 USD, 40 129 EUR)

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The name "Portrait". "Dami". "In bilomu"
Date 24/10/2009
Auction house Golden Section, Kiev (UA)
Lot 29
Estimate 27 000 - 32 000 USD (17 990 - 21 322 EUR, 16 559 - 19 626 GBP)
Result

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noart · 02.03.2010, 14:09

Someone can explain?

There are still questions if the picture is exhibited with a high estimate: the auction and not sold, what it means for an artist? [/QUOTE]

Understand that many, that there are often heard at the forum - do not have serious sales. So natural occurrence - yet says nothing. They are totally dependent on its investor - who has the desire to shine or not. Often these are the people who have invested in their work the money. Now they are trying to fix them. But the orientation of all the domestic market. since there is very difficult for anyone then what is the screw, as it is done with success here.
I am familiar with two art dealers from the West, they are promoting art. But when I asked about our and Russian artists - they made it clear. Show us the fact that we have not seen, and we will do them good auction. Now I have paid in this busy.
In dialogue with them, I realized the main thing - we sorely lacking one thing - his style is not like no one else. The result is that, whatever happens with us in the art bubble, and not having a basis in reality.
I hope you remember, as trumpeted in the press - the success of our artists at Sotheby's or as pathos - Breakthrough of our artists))) But you did not ask for a question - why say, who then sold to the west much more confident than our Ukrainian breakthrough? Unfortunately all again, but not for the secondary character who does not give good money

Феликс · 02.03.2010, 14:14

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Alexander Klymenko Auction Archive
2010 1 lots (1 results, 0%unsold)
2009 1 lots (1 results, 0%unsold)
Phillips De Pury, Contemporary Art Day Sale, London, February, 13 2010
Lot: 183 Festival from Solar Hedonism
Acrylic on canvas. 110 x 120 cm (43 3 /8 x 47 1 /4 in). Estimate: £ 4,000 - £ 6,000
Premium: 25.0%£ 875
Result with premium: £ 4,375
Phillips De Pury, Contemporary Art Day Sale, London, October 17, 2009
Lot: 272 A myriad of worlds directly ov ...
Acrylic on canvas. Diameter: 120 cm. (47 1 /4 in). Estimate: £ 10,000 - £ 15,000
Premium: 25.0%£ 2,500
Result with premium: £ 12,500

Here's a concrete example of "honesty" of sales of modern Ukrainian artists at the auction sites in mainland.
Alexander Klimenko, son of Lieutenant Schmidt and thimblerigger from art-gone with the rise in both lots. No one except an individual divorced under a "deal of the century" suckers such a "bargain" could not. The facts here do not need.

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gans Гуру Регистрация: 15.03.2009 Сообщений: 2,264 Спасибо: 1,961 Поблагодарили 3,561 раз(а) в 765 сообщениях Записей в дневнике: 29 Репутация: 4950	Interview with Paul poppy. - We must admit that in recent years the art of moving in the direction of the show. I see in this global problem, because the artist in this case remains a sector devoted to thinking, of thinking. Sobering thought that, as the philosopher Merab Mamardashvili as truth dearer homeland is more important than the state. This idea, which must dare to think out to the end. Because, if we do not think that our homeland and the state will remain in full ass. And this is scary. After dodumyvanie this idea until the end leads to the discovery that we were a little there. - But we also can not just pick and tear art from reality? - No, this is impossible, if only because that art is an integral part of this reality, and the show - is also one of its parts. Another question that if the youth in the 1970's, I perceived, for example, "Fahrenheit 456" by Ray Bradbury as a sad anti-Utopia, now embodied all we really live in it. In general, indeed, can my claim to the society to make sense? - But you're it opponiruesh? - I rather counterwork profanation meanings. After the show actually destroys the senses. And then life is filled with a jelly-like emptiness. It seems to be something around there, but do not rely on that. Do something to try to pick up, and it seeps through your fingers. Then it becomes clear what's what. Let's just say, nothing is transformed into the form. And once again reminded Mamardashvili. He defined this state as infantilism. The philosopher spoke of the Soviet society, but I think in our society's position strong as ever. And they manifest themselves primarily in the complete absence of responsibility. Dominated by the desire that you all gave. Moreover, the desire something quickly and without much difficulty to get propagated as psychology. People do not have time to even think about whether they should, in fact, things that they so zealously and passionately trying to master. Читать дальше... - But the temptations of the people literally imposed. And this is the whole social system. - I agree. This underpins the entire philosophy and practice of consumer society. While there is that consuming it will be consumed. And our conversations about the depth, and even more - the divine sense of human existence would seem out of place in this system of values and coordinates. Here is a banal example. After a career and commercial success, when my work sold at auction Sotheby's, I got more attention from society and congratulations, than in all previous years. It is very nice, I will not deny, but it is strange that before any purchase, for example, my works are renowned museums such as the Tretyakov Gallery or international awards that I received, not accompanied by a similar Christmas shopping. For society, for the media is a known fact that sales in the auction proved to be decisive. As I told an acquaintance a young businessman: "To my colleagues, there is no other way to explain that what you are doing - it was good. What does this all makes sense. Chief should be an understanding that your art is worth something. " Since everything in the world is measured in money. - But it marks a significant change in the ideology of society. Another 20 - 25 years ago, the reason for the recognition of a public deed (the symbol of the 1960's - scientists, last minute idea, sacrificing oneself for the sake of humanity). Now we live in a system where the only fetish - banknotes. - Art critic Katya Tar recently well said that before, he says, was the term "talented artist", but today came into effect, the term "dear artist. Price determines the aesthetic criteria. And try to protest. Society today is so constructed that swallow safely and give your gesture as a kind of new social installation or performance. It is ironic that we have reached the point that every thing and action can be instantly reversed, presenting its opposite. - The murderous character of this trend - a portrait of Che Guevara on t-shirts and boutique flash drive expensive cars. But he was a man of high spirit and honorable behavior, denies the model of today's society. When he and his companions seized power in Cuba, it said: "The main thing - do not build capitalism with socialism." The phrase, incidentally, fits the entire post-Soviet period. - Now, Che Guevara, have adapted by making minus plus ... In general, if I had called utopian world in which we live, that the only reality in which we exist, but now this version is no longer suit me. - So the last few years you kultiviruesh idea of the garden ?.. - Yes, that is, in fact it is built on the tremendous ministry. The idea of the garden and is close to me because that is based on the daily work. They can not relax - otherwise there will be a jungle. In this sense, the garden is a certain golden mean, a symbol of harmony between man and with himself and with nature. Garden - an idea that is stretched over time, cuts and brings many generations. And because people caring for a garden, not in order to preserve the old, they themselves are trying to keep within this phenomenon. Save yourself with a garden. - This is the idea of serving, self-denial ... - ... And the idea of constant, everyday work. Man must learn to feel responsible for some kind of flower bed or flowerbed. Understand that without him nothing will bloom and zaplodonosit, but simply overgrown with weeds. We have the push down responsibility. For anyone - the president, parliament, the mayor's office, housing office. No civil liability. And there are formed in the Soviet mentality. And that can not get away. Yet there is, even if illusory, but the feeling that it would be something different. - But how? That was in 2004. With militant people who felt themselves citizens of a nation. And all has fallen a cropper. - No, not all. The disappointment, of course, is present. But it was all in vain. In society yet there has been some awareness. And it is not on the supporters of any political force. Just people and with that, and on the other hand feel that they can think on their own, and not uniformly. While we, and I do not get tired of repeating it, we live in a feudal society where human relationships are built not on the basis of who you are and what is capable, but primarily on who is your roof. In fact, each lend-lord has vassals, but he, in turn, someone's vassal. And even the largest lend-lord - someone's vassal. Everything is based on who your roof. Yes, and the term "roof" - a very feudal. And in the event of any problem, we are not looking for laws, and are looking for patrons who can help us solve the problem. And the law is then interpreted, depending on how it can turn in your direction. This is a scheme. Certainly, there are situations when your patron is powerless and can not cross the border, which, in general, for the good of society. But the boundaries of these, alas, very, very far away. But 2004 is just really was not in vain. He was a small step towards awareness of the State, nation, citizens. Civil society above the state. And this, incidentally, also wrote Mamardashvili, saying that the USSR State absorbed society, but society and the state - two different things. State - just one of the tools of social life. We see that in Russia the state again is identified with the society. And it is - a stupor for the development, since the movement, even in the apparent chaos, provide effort units. - So, in a sense, our competitive advantage, compared with the same Russia, reigning in our torn? - Of course, this is so. Another thing is that this razdryzg ambivalent - the danger of absorption of society by the State it does not repeal, but gives quite a definite chance emancipate, to alienate citizens from the state. That is our razdryzg both pregnancy as civil society, and the fascist dictatorship. And the question, who will give birth to Ukraine - a question of carrying the fetus. Just be aware that the time it would take a great deal. Our life may not be enough. http://antikvar.ua/publications/1449 http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...5&postcount=13

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Veronic Гуру Регистрация: 17.12.2008 Адрес: Украина Мукачево, Венгрия Хевиз Сообщений: 2,165 Спасибо: 1,793 Поблагодарили 1,718 раз(а) в 574 сообщениях Записей в дневнике: 4 Репутация: 2879	To be honest, I do not understand these auctions. You write that there are very here-and indeed result Alexander Roitburd Auction Archive 2010 1 lots (1 results, 0%unsold) - That's like selling? Oleg Tistol Auction Archive 2010 2 lots (2 results, 0%unsold)is also sold like? 2009 2 lots (2 results, 50%unsold)and this means that one lot is sold, and the second not? Someone can explain? There are still questions if the picture is exhibited with a high estimate: the auction and not sold, what it means for the artist? Последний раз редактировалось Veronic; 02.03.2010 в 12:59.

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noart Banned Регистрация: 17.02.2010 Адрес: Ukraine , Kiev Сообщений: 333 Спасибо: 166 Поблагодарили 394 раз(а) в 180 сообщениях Записей в дневнике: 24 Репутация: 789	Someone can explain? There are still questions if the picture is exhibited with a high estimate: the auction and not sold, what it means for an artist? [/QUOTE] Understand that many, that there are often heard at the forum - do not have serious sales. So natural occurrence - yet says nothing. They are totally dependent on its investor - who has the desire to shine or not. Often these are the people who have invested in their work the money. Now they are trying to fix them. But the orientation of all the domestic market. since there is very difficult for anyone then what is the screw, as it is done with success here. I am familiar with two art dealers from the West, they are promoting art. But when I asked about our and Russian artists - they made it clear. Show us the fact that we have not seen, and we will do them good auction. Now I have paid in this busy. In dialogue with them, I realized the main thing - we sorely lacking one thing - his style is not like no one else. The result is that, whatever happens with us in the art bubble, and not having a basis in reality. I hope you remember, as trumpeted in the press - the success of our artists at Sotheby's or as pathos - Breakthrough of our artists))) But you did not ask for a question - why say, who then sold to the west much more confident than our Ukrainian breakthrough? Unfortunately all again, but not for the secondary character who does not give good money