The value of the underground works of artists today is much higher than their price.

[Fed]

[QUOTE="Cyril Syzransky; 1305141]But I really do not be surprised and" acrimony "of others.[/QUOTE]
I'm not worried at all about the "yazvleniya, but you are trying to question the prices move in the" ocean "joke. Although the price I think a fundamental question. Something that is on sale in Kiev, fine. Similarly, it is not an indication of the price of the Ukrainian market. What I expressed my opinion, writing that if the organizers have a desire to justify the word underground, the theoretical base must be carefully sum up, since it looks (to me) unconvincing.

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Originally Posted by SAH

self-published edition of the 80-year "Odessa artists," You are the author of this edition?

You referred to the Wikipedia, where it was discussed, in particular, about samizdat.
That's why I wrote an article , not self-published edition itself.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Originally Posted by Fed

Even though the price I think a fundamental question.

At the auctions, I remind you before the auction is not price, is only the estimate.

[SAH]

Originally Posted by "Fed

You have referred to Wikipedia, where it was discussed, in particular, about samizdat. That's why I wrote the article, rather than self-published edition itself.

The farther into the woods ... In providing the names of samizdat Yegorov as the representative of the underground? You read it, why write in the forum back? In addition, many artists are still alive and they also consider him an artist underground.

[Fed]

You refer to my post, or arguing with yourself?

In your reply on the same Samizdat: "gives a list of avant-garde artists in Odessa." AVANT-GARDE. But not underground. Although the interviews are well-known names who are trying to cram in the underground ("prohibit the exhibition, artists are not considered").

 Ie try different Ukrainian movement and direction of the price tied to a standard truck and the political price Moscow train 60 Cove. "In Russia, an official of the classics of art underground artists on prices has already overtaken." - From an interview.
  You seriously believe that Yegorova, Marchuk, Paradjanov! did not think the artists and banned?
So I politely wrote that the theoretical justification, murky, and the direction of motion-positive. Start Association and purposeful pushing Ukrainian avant-garde.

 But, again meaning cling to the forgotten policy? - 60-time promotion Cove on this principle is gone. Why do this again. Emphasis should be on an aesthetic breakthrough at the time. Moreover, that the rationale for super-was made by the members of the movement-Nonconformism-resistance group norms of behavior. This is to be developed.
 
But then again, we will compel about politics. Who is it interesting? Foreigners, Gorby, dolls ,...- forget.

[SAH]

Originally Posted by "Fed

In your reply on the same Samizdat:" gives a list of avant-garde artists in Odessa. " AVANT-GARDE. But not underground. Although the interviews are well-known names who are trying to cram in the underground ("prohibit the exhibition, artists are not considered").

Vanguard of a broad concept. With regard to Yegorova he was treated kindly and love and power and so-called underground artists, many of whom were also members of the union, and so on - were on friendly terms with the authorities. In 70 years, Egorov several times participated in the "rent for that got" on his cap ", then moved into the category of supportive and sympathetic.

Originally Posted by "Fed

Emphasis should be on an aesthetic breakthrough at the time. Moreover, that the rationale for super-was made by the members of the movement-Nonconformism-resistance group norms of behavior. This should be developed.

I do not see the contradictions, the organizers in my opinion is just that and do develop.

[Posav]

Originally Posted by "Fed

60-time promotion Cove on this principle is gone. Why do this again. Emphasis should be on an aesthetic breakthrough at the time. Moreover, that the rationale for super-was made by the members of the movement-Nonconformism-resistance group norms of behavior. This should be developed.

If they were Nonconformists, why did they not protest against the new group norms of behavior that have blossomed to full flower under capitalism: alienation, the cult of consumption and so on. ?. And there is criticism. So just ride the wave of anti-Soviet. And in fact reap arranging another totalitarian system, and act now as a wedding generals.

[тандем]

Originally Posted by SAH

self-published edition of the 80-year "Odessa artists" gives a list of avant-garde artists of the Odessa

Dear SAH! What is the "self-published edition" to which you refer? Where can I find him?
Personal communication know that Yuri was quite frank and blunt in the estimates. But the harshest assessment was complete indifference to the creations of various artists, Courtyard surrounds names are listed above next to the name Y. Yegorov. Khrushchev and Egorov in one list - delirium and the total absurdity!

[SAH]

Originally Posted by tandem; 1305451]Khrushchev and Egorov in one list - delirium and the total absurdity![/QUOTE]
Egorov (who deeply loved himself) always support and respect Khrushchev. In fact he is one of the first noticed him (he Atsmanchuk), saw his brilliant talent. Some time Khrushchev worked in the studio with Yegorova, then left unable to withstand the harsh discipline. Valentin Yegorov called Uncle George. Of course, this completely different artists, but unites them what they have in life are legend, the life of one another and surrounded by myth. In Odessa, manyrelease of these two artists, and more Lyudmila Hawk.
[QUOTE="tandem; 1305451

What is the "self-published edition," to which you refer?

I have a copy not (very rare) but will try to get it to scan.

[Fed]

Originally Posted by "Posav

If they were Nonconformists, why did they not protest against the new group norms of behavior

Yes, they died or left almost everything. A few old men left.

"Khrushchev and Egorov in one list - delirium and the total absurdity!"
As anyone - it's me about yourself and UNESCO. There are good artists, there-brilliant. Here, I am pleased that UNESCO supports me. You will be amused to learn that at Bonhams, London two good work Egorov for 600 pounds is not purchased.

SAH, and this aspect I was thinking about the price of auction.

[SAH]

Originally Posted by "Fed; 1305481 '

You will be amused to learn that at Bonhams, London two good work Egorov for 600 pounds is not purchased.

It is a pity that they did not give a link to their trades on this resource "You must understand that this episode absolutely nothing said. I know about private sales of his works for $ 40,000. Do not think for advertising work for "Dukat" not my