Art between the provocation, and cynicism

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Сообщение от Zenia

provocative art, it was present and after, but does not have the same values in modern society. It played an important role, but now it is moving away from the scene.

provocative not to be confused with the outrageous, the game, the desire at any price to attract vnimanie.Provokativnoe skusstvo has always been and will, as a locomotive of the .... There is no engine - no movement, there comes contemplation, depression, installation of existence, where the movement is replaced by flashing lights.

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VYACHESLAV, but that's about it says your countryman.
Alexander Roytburd about taboos, artistic provocation and modernization of the national culture.
Alexander Roitburd: No prophet in his father's name - local intellectual tradition. And just now, even seduced mouthpiece artist Marchuk, in an interview said: Ukraine - a country that none of their sons did not recognize and did not do great.
http://www.pravda.com.ua/ru/news/2008/1/11/69488.htm

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от Meister

Art-lover, but what do you mean by "escape from freedom"?

I partly mean, what does writing more Erich Fromm in his book "Escape from Freedom":

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... modern man, freed from the shackles of doindividualisticheskogo society that simultaneously limit it, and offered him the security and peace, has not acquired the sense of freedom in the realization of his identity, that is the realization of his intellectual, emotional and sensory abilities. Freedom brought the man's independence and rationality of its existence, but at the same time, to isolate him, awakened in him a feeling of helplessness and anxiety. This isolation is intolerable, and finds himself faced with a choice: either get rid of freedom with a new addiction, a new submission, or grow up to the full realization of positive freedom, based on the originality and individuality of each.
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  In the modern history of the church was replaced by the power of state power, state power - the power of conscience, and these days the latter was ousted by the anonymous authority of common sense and public opinion, which turned into a gun konformizatsii. Freed from the previous open forms of government, we do not notice that the victims of a new kind of power. We turned into robots, but we live under the illusion that we are separate individuals. This illusion helps to keep the individual conscious awareness of his uncertainty, but the more it can not. As a result, the identity of the individual is weakened, so that the unconscious sense of powerlessness and insecurity, not only preserved, but also highly increased. Individual lives in a world which has lost all the original context in which everything and everyone instrumentalizovany, and he became part of the machine, created his own hands. He knows what thoughts, no feelings, no desires waiting for him around, and thoughts, feelings and wishes in accordance with these expectations, losing your ego, which alone can be a true belief of a free man.

The loss of his "I" is profound doubts about the self and thereby reinforces the need for adaptation. If I represent only what - in my opinion - is expected of me, then who am I? We have already seen how the collapse of the medieval system, in which each individual had his undisputed place, began doubts about its own essence. Since Descartes' true essence of the individual was one of the major problems of modern philosophy. Today, we think indisputable that we - that we are, but doubt - what is it? - Not only not disappeared, but perhaps even increased. This feeling of modern man is expressed in the plays of Pirandello. He raises questions: Who am I? Do I have proof of personal identity, but my physical body? His answers are different from the responses of Descartes. He claimed the individual personality, it denies Pirandello: the "I" is not its own essence, identity is simply a reflection of what others expect of her, a person - is "what you want."

This loss is its own essence turns konformizatsiyu an imperative: the person can be confident only if you live in accordance with the expectations of others. If we do not live in the generally accepted scenario, we run the risk not only cause disapproval and increased isolation, but also lose confidence in its essence, which threatens to mental health.

Adjusting to the expectations of others, trying not to differ from them, a person can dampen their doubts about his own nature and gain some confidence. However, the price is high for this: the rejection of its spontaneity, individuality and freedom. Psychological robot lives only biologically, emotionally, he's dead, he moves like a living, but in the meantime his life, like sand, goes through their fingers. Modern man represents the satisfaction and optimism, but deep down he is unhappy, almost on the verge of despair. He frantically clinging to every individual, he wants to be "not like everyone else, because there is no better recommendation for anything much more than words" is something special. " We are told the name of the railway cashier, who we buy a ticket; bags, playing cards and portable receivers, "personalized" the initials of their owners. All this testifies to the desire for "special", but this is probably the last vestiges of individuality. Modern man starved life, but because it is a robot, life could not mean a spontaneous activity, so he is satisfied with any substitutes excitation: drinking, sports, or experience other people's passions and fictional on-screen.
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What does it mean freedom for the modern man? He was free from the shackles of external hindering act in accordance with their own thoughts and desires. He could operate freely on their own, if he knew what he wanted, what he thinks and feels. But he did not know and he adapts to the anonymous authority and learns is "I" which does not constitute its essence. And the more he does it, so helpless feeling, the more he is forced to adapt. Despite the visibility of optimism and initiative modern man overwhelmed by a deep sense of powerlessness, so it passively, as a quadriplegic, meets the looming catastrophe.

The epigraph to the book Fromm took a passage from Pico della Mirandola:

Neither heavenly nor earthly, neither mortal nor immortal, I did not create you, so you can be free on their own will and conscience - and himself going to the creator and the creator. Only you gave me to grow and change on your own volition. You carry the seed of universal life.

Felt a "seed of universal life" can only be a person, but in our time, as shown by Fromm (and after almost everyone who studied this topic) personality rarely found in a mass of individuals, impersonality which masked illusion of personality.

The only freedom that excites the modern individual - freedom of consumption.

Having lost the primary bonds of traditional society, the individual is looking for new "secondary" bonds that dispensed with the complexities of self-knowledge and peace, the burden of selecting, from distinguishing between good and evil, truth and lies, from the pangs of genuine creativity, finally.

Fromm describes several directions to escape from freedom - authoritarianism, destructiveness and automates conformism.
The price of this flight - the prefix pseudo-to all the essential forces of man.
Fromm spoke lyudah in general, but it applies fully to the men of art in particular.
Psevdolichnosti who psevdomysli, psevdoemotsii, psevdozhelaniya, psevdotvorchestvo ...

[Meister]

deep ...

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Cyril Syzransky, to speak with the artist about the painting, hudozhnikazh and all isms - ungrateful delo.Eto not been used for interviews Royburta. Prophets and geniuses to estimate the time and in the national and global masshtabe.Ya convinced that a decent segment of commercial art is located halfway between the traditional notion of beauty and conceptual meaning when the artist does not just "nice and cool" and, through creativity gives us some cogitable message.

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

provocative not to be confused with the outrageous, the game, the desire at any cost to attract attention. Provocative skusstvo has always been and will, as a locomotive of .... There is no engine - no movement, there comes contemplation, depression, installation of existence, where the movement is replaced by flashing lights.

VYACHESLAV note that Philip Dazhan, the article which is devoted to this topic, not showing much deference to the provocative:

Once Manet, Cezanne and Matisse, caused a scandal, this is not quite themselves wanting, not because they did not want to like, but because they could not write otherwise, without betraying himself. Duchamp, Dadaists and Surrealists scandal caused intentionally, for them it was one way to protest against the established social order and tradition. Hurst, Chapman brothers, and some others - Tracy Emin, Cattelan - have provoked his only artistic technique, but the scandal turned into an advertising argument. They did not protest against what, on the contrary, they are very well and enthusiastically use capitalism, flattering billionaires and passing them off as patrons of the arts. They play with the system Mediatization, and the only advantage you'd like for them to admit - this is the perfect and cynical understanding of the situation.

Provocative - indifferent to the art factor, it is only characteristic of public reaction to the art or technique of call such a reaction. This is not a "locomotive", and the fifth wheel of the cart - the quality does not add, but it draws a crowd of onlookers. Movement is the art going under the action of the deep - and often hidden from us - the internal forces of society and the art itself.

Provocation made sense, until it to something carried or against something protested, accent, or at least something new.
Under all the provocations almost 20 years ago led a symbolic feature of Baudrillard, putting a question no less relevant today:

"If you try to define the status quo, then I would call his condition after the orgy. Orgy - is any explosive element of modernity, the time of liberation in all areas.'s Political liberation, sexual liberation, the liberation of productive forces, the release destructive forces, the liberation of women, children, unconscious impulses, the liberation of art. Ascension of all models of representation and all models antireprezentatsy ... We walked all the way virtual production and overproduction of objects, characters, content, ideology, pleasure. Today, all - free, rates have already made, and together we were faced with a fateful question: what to do after orgies? "(emphasis added)"

Anyone who has any serious relation to contemporary art, can not ignore this issue.
Therefore, sharing the view of nikola in one respect

Сообщение от nikola

I think the forum and the task is to talk about art.
Look on the attitude of others, to see the new colors, a new look at the processes taking place in the world of art. "

I can not agree with him that

Сообщение от nikola

the forum can not stand the question "What is art?" and personal opinion, my art, "paintings, which I love, and TAs.

There are times when the question of the essence of art goes into the shadow, because the answer seems self-evident. In our time "on a new look at the processes taking place in the world of art" is possible only in the light of the question of the essence of art.
I venture to suggest that the rejection of attempts to conceptualize the current situation in the art, ie from the question "what is art?" leads to the loss of the art of one of the most powerful impulses of life.
Avoiding the topic, in fact - the position of the ostrich, sinking his head in the sand to avoid seeing the reality of living with her problems.
One option to escape from freedom.

[Zenia]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

provocative not to be confused with the outrageous, the game, the desire at any price to attract vnimanie.Provokativnoe skusstvo has always been and will, as a locomotive of .... There is no engine - no movement, there comes contemplation, depression, installation of existence, where the movement is replaced by flashing lights.

Sorry! Google - Translator as an alternative to Latin characters often, and often give cause for laughter or frustration
Provocative=provocation


Of course art should cause our emotions, but simply a matter of tools.
in "modern" art tools are often questionable, and perhaps even do what is not art.

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Art-lover, the declared theme recalls the case when the question "Under what delicious pasta sauce?", Dinner parties are beginning to find out - and that is pasta, using all of world literature. Lunch is not a success, definitely.

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Dinner was a failure, clearly.

Lunch will not go anywhere, a lot of dinners and good conversation, and even "using the whole of world literature" will agree, in our time is more important ...

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Art-lover, the declared theme recalls the case when the question "Under what delicious pasta sauce?", Dinner parties begin to figure out - and that is pasta, using all of world literature. Lunch is not a success, definitely.

It looks like we are sitting at separate tables and tasting the different dishes.
In addition, there are other gourmets.

Bon appetit.