Purchase of works by old masters - a safe investment

[Евгений]

1.17-18 century.
2.Evropeyskie artists.
3.Po price is difficult to say, in Russia there are many so-called trophy art. (The prices in this sigmente normal, quite MAST for the average art-dealer). topic interesting, but on the forum once in the backyard ..
From this theme I wanted to meet with collectors from Russia, Germany, France, but still calm .. So easy to support the theme of information with the auctions and all.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Eugene

Russia there are many so-called trophy art.

Aha, here on the forum periodically to show this "art "...

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Yeah, here on the forum periodically to show this "art "...

 You're right, there is a "trophy art" .. but there is: "Zhukov had been seized ......... 44 Carpet and tapestry, 55 pictures (taken from the palaces of Germany and ),.... etc "

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Eugene

1.17-18 century.
2.Evropeyskie artists.
3.Po price is difficult to say, in Russia there are many so-called trophy art. (The prices in this sigmente normal, quite MAST for the average art dealer).


Subject is interesting, but at the forum once in the backyard ..

V Au eta tema toze polumiortvaia, hotia v chastnyh kollektsiiah, chego tol'ko net.
Narod, v osnovnom, pokupaet moder i kontemporary, avstraliitsev. Old masters prakticheski polnost'iu pereshli k antik dilleram.

From this theme I wanted to meet with collectors, art dealers (old Painting), Russia, Germany, France, but still calm .. So easy to support the theme of information from the auctions and all.

Moi vopros byl nesprosta. Otslezivaia tseny na 18-19 vek (rannie kartiny vstrechaiutsia v oborote v Au i NZ redko), prishiol k vyvodu, chto chasto raboty hudoznikov menee znachitel'nyh, chem Blue Chips, sohraniaiut tsenu, te, s uchiotom infliatsii, hranenia, strahovki i pr. iavliaiutsia ubytochnymi. Kak vy podhodite k dannomu voprosu?

V Nz etot rynok razvit luchshe, chem v Au. My obychno ili perebrasyvali raboty s odnogo auktsiona na drugoi, ili pokupali v plohom sostoianii, zatem restavrirovali i pereprodavali. V etoi situatsii dohod byl prakticheski vsegda.

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Сообщение от Eugene

You're right, there is a "trophy art" .. but there is: "Zhukov had been seized ......... 44 Carpet and tapestry, 55 pictures (taken from the palaces of Germany ),.... etc. "

U moego dedushki, k schast'iu, nichego ne iz'iali. A trofeinymi veschami rasschityvalis' za mnogoe. Babushka posle voiny ne rabotala, a periodicheski otnosila to vazu, to statuetku, to serebro v kommissionku.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

V Nz etot rynok razvit luchshe, chem v Au. My obychno ili perebrasyvali raboty s odnogo auktsiona na drugoi, ili pokupali v plohom sostoianii, zatem restavrirovali i pereprodavali. V etoi situatsii dohod byl prakticheski vsegda.

All right, and should work.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Eugene

All right, and should work.

Nu eto prosto A vot vtoraia chast 'voprosa.


Moi vopros byl nesprosta. Otslezivaia tseny na 18-19 vek (rannie kartiny vstrechaiutsia v oborote v Au i NZ redko), prishiol k vyvodu, chto chasto raboty hudoznikov menee znachitel'nyh, chem Blue Chips, sohraniaiut tsenu, te, s uchiotom infliatsii, hranenia, strahovki i pr. iavliaiutsia ubytochnymi. Kak vy podhodite k dannomu voprosu?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Eugene

including a lot of work in this direction.

Yes? You or the irrepressible optimist, or you, I see, a two-century nameryal. (c)
Time enough for a search of masterpieces?

[AlexanderG]

Kirill, to est 'vy hotite skazat', chto etot segment ne razvit? Nedostatochno rabot? Nedostatochno pokupatelei? V chiom fishka?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

AlexanderG, thing is, that buying the work of the old Western masters, you can hang it in their wall and admire it until the second coming.
Operate it on a foreign market, you can not export is prohibited.
And then what? You can sell the same to the wall and he was ever too, may sell.
But for how much? How much will the author of the second row of the 18 th century. I know that "there", he road, but "there" it is not possible to set, because there is no possibility of legally withdraw?
And this talk of "trophy art" ludicrous. Worthy something is not brought, carried Labuda, типо that show.
There are two or three high-profile discoveries of the trophy, but it is not even a drop in the sea.
Look at the old masters auctions around the world, thousands and thousands of works each year.
Art Market in Russia purely national. Here in Moscow to sell the Ukrainian author is not easy, is it really just a dumping price, with further movement in the homeland ", in Kiev. Ukrainian!

[AlexanderG]

Operate it on a foreign market, you can not export is prohibited.

Eto otvechaet na vopros. Ia ne znal. chto vyvoz zapreschion. Ia iz NZ svobodno privioz v Au svoiu kollektsiiu. Da eto meniaet sut '.

A esli, kak inostrannyi poddanyi, ia kupliu kartinu 17-18 veka v magazine, to, chto vyvezti ne smogu ili minkul't razresheniiami zamuchaet?