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Old 04-11-2009, 11:38 Original language: Russian        #1
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Actually, Prigov can and read it, you know, more than all the poet ...
I do not understand from the article. Madame on my Prigov not read and can not imagine what it is.



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Old 05-11-2009, 02:00 Original language: Russian        #2
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Dear Colleagues! Please tell us how to read it to understand! (not kidding, I ask quite seriously).
Here is the simple translation: Prigov - a hero of our time. It continues to exist in the memory of those who knew him. His personality must be understood as an entity with all the images of his works (some as many as Lermontov's Pechorin understand). Read more about the work of the curator is: it through the exhibition explores this phenomenon and get something like a new product. We list the participants, this is familiar Prigov, his successors and imitators. At the end of abstruse expressions mean that the author is familiar with modern Western philosophy, Baudrillard and others ( "simulacrum" and "Other").



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K-Maler, thanks! And many thanks for all the discussion!



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Old 08-11-2009, 11:43 Original language: Russian        #4
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Na odnoi iz lektsii, po-moemu, akademik Amosov, skazal, chto horoshii akademik (prinadleznost 'k akademii, a ne zvanie) - eto vsegda horoshii populiarizator. Spetsialist, kotoryi mozet prostymi slovami ob'iasnit 'sloznye voprosy.

Istoriia iskusstv stala akademicheskoi distsiplinoi sovsem nedavno, i, na moi vzgliad, pytaetsia vospolnit 'etot probel vidimoi zaum'iu. A, po-nastoiaschemu, eto obychyi obmen mnenii. Odna iz zadach etogo iazyka, sdelat 'mnenie drugih nize.
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This language has become a disaster ... Sami critics have felt that something was wrong ... We have already come out and travesty. They moved the terms of Western philosophy that underlies the concept is often controversial, in an artistic environment, which is not entirely justified, hence the gibberish ... And it surpasses ... I am able to read philosophical texts and understand what the author wants to say and, yes, I see that differently, it's easier not to say ... But in the case of our "advanced" is not so, an example of all read ... Their magazine XQ all such. Rare exceptions.



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Old 09-11-2009, 13:52 Original language: Russian        #6
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"In the works of Modigliani combines purity and elegance of style, symbolism and humanism, pagan sense of completeness and unbridled joy of life and the pathetic experience of suffering is always troubled conscience." also what is iskusstvovedmy or Witchers
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Old 09-11-2009, 14:30 Original language: Russian        #7
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This language has become a disaster
Indeed, the present calamity. Generally speaking, AlexanderG raised a very interesting problem popularization of art in general and modern art in particular.
I am not an art historian, so my thoughts may seem to someone deliberately sedition and mauvais ton. Well, that's what is ...
Why on classical works written and spoken human language that is understandable to all and gives interesting ideas and original opinions of researchers? Is it that the classical art needs no explanations, excuses. I avidly read the book I. Nemilovoy - keeper 18 th century French paintings in the Hermitage. It is clear that the book was written with promotional purpose, but references therein scientific, modern analytical methods, and read about cooking attribution paintings by old masters is very interesting! And by the way, any books, even books on classical art is very interesting to read.
A contemporary art, as we see, not only has its own pictorial language, which is understood by few (Somewhere, we have concluded that the words that explain the ideas of the artist, modern art has become an integral part of the artwork.), But also their own slang (almost Argo), who understands even fewer people (the artists themselves relevant in the number of understanding are not always). It turns out that a ruling the art, which, even according to its fans, needs some explanation, promotional task before him do not call. Thus, the actual art becomes even more forcibly otdalyaemo even from interested people. It turns out that modern art from the "actual" art damage one?



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I'm not an art historian, so my thoughts may seem to someone deliberately sedition and mo
Allena, no need to apologize for the fact that there are thoughts feelings and opinions.
(interestingly, by the way, what prtsent in human history, digging, inventions and innovations bydo slelano "amateur"?) And (remember): an amateur built the ark professionals "Titanic"


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It turns out that ruling the then art, which, even according to its fans, needs some explanation, promotional task before him do not call. Thus, the actual art becomes even more forcibly otdalyaemo even from interested people. It turns out that modern art from the "actual" art damage one?
I think you're referring to a Russian-speaking area (in English literature is the set of "popular" editions of the "isms" of the twentieth century, though it's worth noting, correctly, when instollyatsiyu called "sculpture" and "the Neva river in Moscow)
I think that literature (Russia iskustvovedcheskoy) is small because yavlelie very, very young and not very organic, (largely secondary. Borrowing largely iskusttvennoe, podrazhatelskoe imported)
(Not without exceptions. Of course .. "Toilet" Kabakov, for example)
But in general about modern iskussve (Russia) can be read by Boris Groys.
(may still have someone, do not know)



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Old 09-11-2009, 15:07 Original language: Russian        #9
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People will come to the exhibition, especially without training does not feel or understand (because only a desire to come into contact with modern art and a priori favorable to his attitude is not enough, training is necessary) and try to grasp the life-saving press release ... It was then, and it will and kyuhelbekerno, and sickening. And on what conclusion he will exit from the exhibition, a long time to guess not.

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I think the literature (Russia iskustvovedcheskoy) is small because the phenomenon itself and the very young and not too organic (largely secondary, borrowing, largely iskusttvennoe, podrazhatelskoe imported).
Yes, I think you're right.



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"the Neva river in Moscow"
Correct!

But only in two cities
I'm at home, while I was a guest.
Only where the Neva is the sea,
I see Crimean bridge.
At noon, through the ringing of bells
As if in two steps,
Peter and Paul Thunder Gun
I hear on the integument.
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