Prices AP Archipenko

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Сообщение от ranzher

How much reverence for these 'offices?

Yes because he is in Minsk - they dad iron curtain still holds - that's late (10-15 years of Russia) lizoblyudstvo the West! They hate them publicly - but the "label" bow.

[OlegTsi]

Сообщение от operator

That is, in prestigious museums are "Souvenirs" without sculptural values "?! However, documented in the fund Archipenko?

I did not write. The museums are not souvenirs.

With each molded copies of the agreement of the author, Archipenko in his lifetime to receive dividends (Royalties). He had a very difficult financial times in America and he agreed to this.
Do not argue, is a historical fact . But I repeat, sculptural values they have. Often they are made from plaster, paint coating bronze.

Those things (statues), which we are discussing today, too, have no value. Why I asked at the expense of the bottom of the sculpture? If there is matter, it can undermine and see the attachment to the base of the sculpture - a bolt or nut. Look and you will have an idea of when the sculpture was made.

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw

operator,

But any other person who has a 100 thousand U.S. dollars. and wishing to acquire the sculpture Archipenko, the road to Sotheby's, Christie's and the like, where there will be sculptures, documents, and not metal and paper.

Replete with examples where the above-mentioned offices for sale and exhibit of work without a stock heirs of the author! And the price accordingly differ from this. As I understand from the forum - all about archival records in the cast up and the price of trade in the heirs of the author. Until 1964, the work of certified fund Archipenko - hundreds of thousands - up to 1964 is not confirmed by Fund - dozens - and all that is molded after the death of the author - bullshit is nothing more than the cost of bronze and not worth it.

The question is confirmed by those of Fund A or not - are they the money that the act of assessment or an order of magnitude less!? One way to pay the fund money and not the fact that they will confirm! So who is curious what would be risking 3 thousand!?

Way and on the photo are their archives check can and assessment do?

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Сообщение от operator

Why I asked at the expense of the bottom of the sculpture? If there is matter, it can undermine and see the attachment to the base of the sculpture - a bolt or nut. Look and you will have an idea of when the sculpture was made.

(almost all) sculpture bolted bolts (about the nuts do not know - because that would screw the bolt through the base of a bronze need strong thread!
How are you on the studs and nuts define the time of creation? - Enlighten forumchan please!

then .. reason could be screwed a lot later than the work itself and even on the restoration to go too be! The only evidence - a chemical and physical analysis of the patina and most bronzes - it gives a clear answer about the time of creation!

[OlegTsi]

Сообщение от operator

the way for a photo they can check their archives and make an assessment?

No, the photo they do not. Works must be physically in the fund. Do not spend money, as a result of examination will be negative.

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Сообщение от OlegTsi

With each molded copies of the agreement of the author, Archipenko in his lifetime to receive dividends (Royalties). He had a very difficult financial times in America and he agreed to this.

Yeah - That's the clue! So Archipenko Foundation recognized and /or only verify the authors and paying dividends as FACILITY during his lifetime and after!

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Сообщение от operator

Yes because he is in Minsk - they dad iron curtain still holds - that's late (10-15 years of Russia) lizoblyudstvo the West! They hate them publicly - but the "label" bow.

It is you, young man, in the mirror look?
And with a portrait written?
... Negozhe so about brotherly country and even about the individuals, too worthless.

[ВЯЧЕСЛАВ]

Сообщение от OlegTsi

With each molded copies of the agreement of the author, Archipenko in his lifetime to receive dividends (Royalties). He had a very difficult financial times in America and he agreed to this.
Do not argue, it is historical facts. But I repeat, sculptural values they have. Often they are made from plaster, paint coating bronze.

Those things (statues), which we are discussing today, too, have no value. Why I asked at the expense of the bottom of the sculpture? If there is matter, it can undermine and see the attachment to the base of the sculpture - a bolt or nut. Look and you will have an idea of when the sculpture was made.

Dear OlegTsi! Conversation is not about the plaster sculpture to paint and on the professional cast of bronze objects iskusstva.Uvy, they do not have a cast, marking the circulation, a stamp shop. But, is this a serious shortcoming of expertise, knowing that the author of of material difficulties agreeing on the "open circulation", which equated to the value of all the cast during his lifetime of work. It turns out that the above mentioned fund simply sells the certificates, based on what is one of the well-known databases.
Now for the mount. The paper describes fastening. It is done professionally and that dostatochno.Ved not mount a pedestal sculpture is the subject of evaluation, attention and expertise. By analogy with the painting - frame (presentation) is not to assess paintings.

[OlegTsi]

Сообщение от operator

Yeah - That's the clue! So Archipenko Foundation recognized and /or only verify the authors and paying dividends as FACILITY during his lifetime and after!

You are absolutely wrong. Foundation was formed not for the life of Archipenko. For all say it again - these were souvenir ebb, they always indicate the coordinates of the museum, for which they were made. For example - in the U.S. withdrawal from the prestigious museum always has a shop where you can buy posters, art prints, books, tea cups with pictures of paintings, etc. Museum ebb made one-time fee, in limited quantities and the author got his reward. Nevertheless, various measures have been taken to ensure that the most clear and easy to understand that this is a souvenir from the exhibition.

I think that explained it is understandable. And please do not confuse the concept - souvenirs, lifetime repeats, repeated ebb stock and two forgery, of which we are now discussing.

Look at the photos and links to eBay. There you can buy an identical sculpture in 1550 dollars - the cost of bronze.

Ibid Well in the sale and see the two statues, which are the culprits for today's call. If they are originals, do not place them on eBay.

   http://cgi.ebay.com/BRONZE-SCULPTURE...d=p3286.c0.m14


http://cgi.ebay.com/BRONZE-SCULPTURE...d=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/ALEXANDER-ARCHIP...d=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/ARCHIPENKO-ALEXA...d=p3286.c0.m14

[OlegTsi]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Alas, they do not have a cast, marking the circulation, a stamp shop. But, is this a serious shortcoming of expertise, knowing that the author himself because of material difficulties agreeing on the "open circulation" which equated to the value of all the cast during his lifetime of work

Dear Vyacheslav. Neither Archipenko, no fund is not cast sculpture is no sign of circulation. (6 /15, 7 /10). Museums have to sculpture their coordinates (we know from what motives). No way souvenirs not equalized value of original works. Simply, many could not afford to buy the original, while at the same time, prices for souvenirs are available for many.

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Now for the mount. The paper described fastening. It is done professionally and that dostatochno.Ved not mount the sculpture to the pedestal is the subject of evaluation, attention and expertise. By analogy with the painting - frame (presentation) is not to assess paintings.

If the majority of selling fake sculptures is a totally new galvanized nut, then in that case it is seryoznym factor not in favor of age. If you discussed the works of the same nut, then this contradicts the definition of age of sculpture.
Patina obtained very original and vygdyadit old, if the new bronze affect the weak acid solution. Specialists in artificial aging have learned it well.

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Сообщение от OlegTsi

Ibid Well in the sale and see the two statues, which are the culprits for today's call. If they are originals, do not place them on eBay.

Yes and artprice (without ads), they were seen too early!
Thank you for ссылочки ..
Although in this age of Internet auctions have got almost all of their sites to sell their items! I think that Victor and Ukraine simply does not know where to go!

.... Summing up the market price .. can it sigmentirovat: for clarity, represent the three (so far) in the range of one another (as the saw cut a tree trunk) One-third of the market 33.3%is all that is produced during the life of the author (two laps - one to one)
the smallest (as a bull's-eye target - 10) is something that is confirmed by the archives and sign a series of circulation (7 /9 or 8 /8 - prices, hundreds of thousands, the other 23.3%is not documented fund heirs but made up to 64 года - tens of thousands, and the remaining 66%is a replica - souvenirs and other podelushki - the price of bronze!

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Сообщение от heir

This is you, dear man, look in the mirror?
And with a portrait written?
... So Negozhe about brotherly country and even about the individuals, too worthless.

Not on your avatar looked just ... everything became clear!

We were like brothers and remain forever with Belarus .. but ... from the illusion (in the west of their first-but not smell) .. need to leave as soon as possible ... and then strangle them in the embrace of cheap credit (and not only) - but even so, they protect the border Nike!