The inscription in German?

[sergejnowo]

Eugene, do you think, live, state of the tree pulls on 180 years?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

Eugene, do you think, live, state of the tree pulls on 180 years?

Do you think that the state of wooden framework is not "pulling" on the first third of the 19 th century?

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Do you think that the state of wooden framework is not "pulling" on the first third of the 19 th century?

Yes it is.
However, the tree requires ideal conditions.
By analogy with the Yakut mammoth, which was found in the permafrost layer, causing the picture could be stored in the refrigerator, let's say since 1850. However, more needs to decrease the access of oxygen as an oxidizer - requires a vacuum compressor.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

sergejnowo, I confess, I was surprised by such a state basis. Once I got used vidit turnovers paintings Lane. sexes. 19-th century. in a tree in another state.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Eugene, and we were with sergejnowo interested in traffic pattern on a wooden basis. I think that this aspect of the attribution of age, works of art can be interesting for participants of the forum.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Dear admin, to clarify, please, the situation.

Сообщение от Eugene

you on the Russian asked not to foul up the subject.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Eugene, and we are interested in sergejnowo traffic pattern on a wooden basis. I think that this aspect of the attribution of age, works of art can be interesting for participants of the forum.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

Eugene, do you think, live, state of the tree pulls on 180 years?

It seems that this painting was at first in an oval frame, perhaps on another stretcher. Then she was able to transplant to another and then later she somehow poorly preserved, because seen as a "stamped" on the front subframe. The letters may not apply to the original story.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от K-Maler

It seems that this painting was first in an oval frame,

Сообщение от K-Maler

The letters may not apply to the original story.

  Dear K-Maler, with the first picture figured out.
The inscription translated, and for this many thanks to Amateur,.
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Here: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...mp;postcount=8
   conversation is already on another film (the second).
I simply asked for help in translating the inscriptions made in pencil, (foreign language words, to translate itself does not work), if it is possible to translate the help, thanks in advance.

[Amateur]

With difficulty making their way through the actual characters old German Gothic handwriting script still seems to have
decipher the name of the author's paintings. Inscription (see first picture) reads: "Gemahlt von Mathilde von Hartitzsch", that should mean "Written by Mathilde von Hartittssh. First, it is written with a mistake: by modern standards Language was laid to write "Gemalt", as it turned out not to "write", and "is ground (as grinding flour). But "the noble people" do not always know how to write correctly in their native language, even Frederick the Great wrote in German, with gross errors, preferring to speak and write in French. And it is possible that in the old rules of language were different. Secondly, the name Mathilde von Hartitzsch repeated in the inscription on the glued piece of paper (see second picture). About born von Hartitzsch there is an article in Vikpedii, by the way, there are several spellings of the names: Hartitzsche, Hartitz, Hartic. About itself Matilda also has something on the Internet. She was born in 1800, and
died in 1886. In 1831 she married Count Hermann zur Lippe-Weissenfeld and changed its name. About what she drew, I could not find the data, but then in the education of every "noble maiden" to teach drawing.

On a piece of paper stuck in the first line above could make out the word "von Sachsen", ie "Saxon" (see third picture). It turned out that one of the ancestors (grandfather?) Artist, namely, Georg Adolf III von Hartitzsch (1708-1777) was head of the Chamber (Landkammerrat) Elector of Saxony, and other ancestors, too, served Saxon Elector, ie relationship with Saxony available. Read the entire piece of paper has not yet happened, but my German friend, about which I to you, Eugene, wrote, and who probably could do it, still silent, most likely, he is on vacation. Here are the results so far.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Amateur

If there will not be included, please tell me, I'll give you your e-mail,

Sent you a lichku fotografii.Zaranene thanks if it works with the translation ..
A write also in lichku.
Sincerely Eugene.
Here, there is no sense to write "art" of Samara all zafludili ..