Treasure for a billion euro?

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2852671 "

What exciting news , sorry it did not know Jews who are hoping for the return of property taken from

Let's see what will happen next, and it's really an unexpected twist in the issue of restitution and in what was called the Holocaust ...
There was a direct rip-off , but there were sales agreement ... This is not the same . After paying so people bargains for travel on decent conditions. They are believed to have fled. It happened about what happened with the first Russian emigration , someone got well , someone in poverty . The causes of all these " ships " , philosophical, and others, are the same - stripping of the population ... But all the intellectual circle , representing the true elite and mixed nationally, while not thought to make their claims as globally ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от K-Maler; 2854981 "

But all the intellectual circle , representing the true elite of mixed national and not thought yet to make their claims as globally ...

Guessed , but postsotetskoe Russian leadership , which became legally priemnitsey USSR do not want to give away the loot plundered the heirs of owners and considers the nationalization of the first Soviet government as legitimate.
Example: Pierre Konovaloff , great-grandson of the collector Ivan Morozov , demands the restitution of paintings that the Bolsheviks nationalized in 1918.
 Yes, and the grandson of Sergei Shchukin Andre -Marc - delocalized Fourcault expects to receive compensation for the collection of his ancestor .
" I believe that Russia in its current form - is not the Soviet Union , and I think that over time, this compensation in one form or another must come from Russia , as in the democratic system can not be confiscated without compensation," - he said in an interview.
Let me remind you that the property of the church , also nationalized by the Bolsheviks, clerics favor , although the property was public , all of it belonged to the Holy Synod - the highest state authority ecclesiastical administrative power in the Russian Empire.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2855011"

that the property of the church , also nationalized by the Bolsheviks , give clerics , although it was public property , all of it belonged to the Holy Synod - the highest state authority ecclesiastical administrative power in the Russian Empire.
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Soviet regime the church was separated from the state, restored Patriarchate ( PetromI canceled ) , the property is left ... later it was plundered , killing priests were also later ...

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2855011 "

Example: Pierre Konovaloff , great-grandson of the collector Ivan Morozov , requires restitution of artworks, which the Bolsheviks nationalized in 1918.
Yes Sergei Shchukin and grandson Andre -Marc delocalization Fourcault expects to receive compensation for the collection of his ancestor .

Let's see what the restitution laws translate into an example Cornelius Gurlitt , he's not going to give up their good collection.
But it is already published . Munch posted pictures , some other ... It is strange that on the forum so little interest in what happens ... Sensation in the art world , yet ...

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от K-Maler; 2858501"

It is strange that on the forum so little interest in what happens

I think that is not the time , you need to wait.
It's not even in the everyday flow of contradictory information in detail, half- thumb is useless .
The fact that a civilian became a political process , and where the policy , there is a violation of everything and everyone ....
Once again horrified as cynical, inappropriate and inept German state acts like flies to g - but fans flock to cash in on someone else .

Сообщение от K-Maler; 2858501"

Let's see what the restitution laws pour out

at this level there are no laws , there is only such a thing as " political will."

[тандем]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2855011"

" I think that Russia in its current form - is not the Soviet Union , and I think that with time , this compensation in one form or another must come from Russia , as in a democracy can not be confiscation without compensation, " - he said in an interview .

 Misleading a person, even on 1/100000 can not imagine what a Soviet mentality nurtured by centuries of neglect of the human person and human rights.

Сообщение от sergejnowo; 2858641"

at this level there are no laws , there is only such a thing as " political will."

 If you are on Germany , the laws are, and before the laws of almost all are equal, and the judiciary is independent , not on paper , but in deystvitelnosti.Hotite prove its case - hire a lawyer . It is expensive, but there is a 99.99%confidence that the case will be decided according to the law and not the amount listed judge pounds banknotes and not on a call gos.bonzy .

[sergejnowo]

tandem, I'm not about that.
Decision on withdrawal of the German prosecutor works at the old man , is the political will .
The old man himself is not subject to prosecution under a law not in Germany.
He hired a decent lawyer , man actually 99%, according to the law , will receive almost all the work back .
But the living in Germany he will not give, and this is a political issue.

[uriart]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

tandem, I'm not about that.
Decision on withdrawal of the German prosecutor works at the old man , is the political will .
The old man himself is not subject to prosecution under a law not in Germany.
He hired a decent lawyer , man actually 99%, according to the law , will receive almost all the work back .
But the living in Germany he will not give, and this is a political issue .

Not much he will worry about life ! He is a very private and contact person . And if he will give a picture he will be happy .

[Владимир Владимирович]

Сообщение от uriart; 2859341"

And if he will give a picture he will be happy .

I will not give up . Suing the state can be very long , and it's lawyers to delay vygodno.Budut vremya.Vstrechnye possible claims and so on. And the time he does not have much left and no heirs . So this process is tighten , probably. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[sergejnowo]

in my opinion , the old man , not playing , remaining himself , beat state to the nines .
Seizing of the state hoped that the old run to the lawyers.
It was understood that the old man , through his lawyers at his own expense , will begin to prove that his work is clean and fluffy .
The state, as judges famously play in gambit and for others to carve himself whatever he wants on the cake.
But the opposite happened , the old did not run to lawyers and taking advantage of the presumption of innocence , provided all the information to the state for help .
This is one reason why so long does the analysis work , the state has no staff and money for it , and most importantly , responsibility for information issued on the mountain lies entirely on the state.
And it is quite a different alignment .
My opinion is to cooperate with the state, it will not be of personal, moral reasons .
Opinion is based on a pair of old sayings . The first type of guys, what this circus , I'm 80 years old, a couple of years left , and so all went to you.
The second type as possible to cooperate with those who in spite of their same laws as buying stolen goods byryga . ( State was meant buying in Switzerland drives stolen bank data German depositors)