Art as a commodity: Paradoxes and patterns

[mihailovoh]

Peter,
The main difference is there trying tom.chto goods ( especially the buyer ( all aimed to please both buyer) ...... it is aimed at all of us and vsya.u take- or do not want to haul- pass " not by Senka cap" Maksimum.eto work with an advanced pokupatelem.esli it can be called work compared to the service in Evrope.no or as not to potetsialnym .
Add the policy of the State "general position." What's art surrounds the house with rozhdeniya.a have a maximum picture on the wall with Ogronka and somewhere in the distant museums Da.i new system of education.
For one and confidence in the future .
The isolation - closed market .
All odnomu.V to break the decades we will not be accurate.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от mihailovoh; 2747051 "

The main difference is there trying tom.chto goods ( particularly specific ) продать.обслуживание.реклама.маркети ng.usluzhlivost - uspupki buyer (all aimed to please both buyer) ...... In this all aimed vsya.u and we do not want to take , or not pull - pass " not by Senka cap" Maksimum.eto work with an advanced pokupatelem.esli you can call it work compared to the service in Evrope.no or as not to potetsialnym .

Naive . There's still money to grow on trees .

[Peter]

Сообщение от mihailovoh

Peter,


For one and confidence in the future.

This has been discussed among the artists began to buy less even businessmen middling.
Remained highly paid doctors and lawyers ..
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[iosif]

Сообщение от Peter

This affected the " dear heart of the West ." Some might say the market today than there is different in a better way , or that he is actually in contrast to our ?

According to my personal observations (Spain , Israel , Germany , New York - I write separately because other U.S. cities much different, France , Czech Republic) it is different in different directions <! - ~ 1 ~ -> .
There's no untwisted modern artist is much more difficult to "die of hunger " than us . At the same time, is much more difficult to unwind , so that promotion of the above expensive and competition .
We have the same artist , not knowing the basics of marketing, easily falls into poverty. And we also easier to promoting the artist , because it is cheaper and , more importantly, because the competition is smaller: there are still many domestic operators believe the art business marketing in the art of indecent phrase <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Сообщение от manna

That's right . But this is the highest segment . "Art as a commodity " , and the goods must be for every budget , and not only on a tightly packed ...

Mann , thank you marked this item .
That's it for me is the most important.
And not only any purse , but also of any person.
100 %of my clients are 80 %above the visual arts were not interested ! Sorry for the lack of modesty , I led them to the art market. And not only to themselves but also to the rest of the participants .
What resulted - lecture , presentation , exhibition is not in a museum, article , jazz -the-art swim across the Moskva River ( five per season) - it is irrelevant.
Either tearfully lament the lack of market, or create it.
I'm bored to wail .

[Buscador]

Сообщение от iosif; 2746041 "

We have the same artist , not knowing the basics of marketing, easily falls into poverty .

That you are too exaggerate the role of marketing in the life of the artist. Many of the artists and the words you do not know this and live decently ...

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Сообщение от manna ; 2745861 "

But this is the highest segment . "Art as a commodity " , and the goods must be for every budget , and not only on a tightly packed ...

We're talking about such a specific product as a work of art . And it's not the pictures on the " promenade " written polulyubitelyami ... For such a product , I think, still need a certain level of culture and a certain level of security (income) ...

[Artoil-A]

Сообщение от Buscador

That you are too exaggerate the role of marketing in the life of the artist. Many of the artists and the words you do not know this and live decently ...
...

Can grandparents are artists 80s and did not know the word, but went on Opening Day with a thick albums, postcards - prototypes running paintings.
   Also poshedshie course every school , in addition to the waste - plots compositions quickly corrected imperfect painting technique , according to market needs . Organized workshops for small-scale production of the collective , united for a joint trade. The main thing with sales on the open market - the artists have seen hundreds of its competitors, see what's selling and how successful the work done.
Young - even inexperienced filmed halls for exhibitions ... But salon sales rise slowed budding artist because of the limited competition and consumer protection.
Tried a lot, until you reach a certain level of wealth .
Typically, many suited to receive an annual salary for the month of qualified specialist. For more almost did not go . Although, as they are now called , top artists, get more.
Add more . Here , little was said about it - it was necessary to invest wisely fees . Yes, there were investments in production, its expansion in road transport. But someone just bought a profitable outlet for the clothing market , some real estate. And not at market prices, and significantly smaller. For example, pimped bought and rebuilt. Later, this property could be leased .

[iosif]

Сообщение от Pavel

studied foreign experience dear professor . Vtyuhat few pictures is not the reason for writing naukopodobnoy nonsense .

Dear Paul , I understand that this is your review of my article . Have every right <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Now to the point.
1. All marketing experience , in fact, a foreign language. In particular, and art marketing . So it really had to study . And even a bit of traveling .
2 . Adaptation of international experience to our terms - a separate issue , which I , as much as , I decide .
3 . There are only two strategies related to incomprehensible . The first - and do not care to forget. The second - to try to understand. You , unfortunately, chose the former. Good luck !

By the way, for those who do not know.
The notorious Saatchi gallery- but their exploits , and even the eponymous founder of the advertising agency that is a couple of decades was considered one of the most creative in the world. And the advertising was first <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от iosif

By the way, for those who do not know.
The notorious Saatchi gallery- but their exploits , and even the eponymous founder of the advertising agency that is a couple of decades was considered one of the most creative in the world. And the advertising was first <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

As well as the same , Saatchi & Saatchi, we honor and remember .

iosif, ATP for the article , very interesting attempt to systematize the experience .
For some reason, Pavel decided that the article " pseudoscientific " .
In my opinion , most " popular" , not even " scientific - pop" , maybe, describes
subjective experience is kokretno scientific theory.

With what does not agree - pictures are goods .

According to classical economics , even luxury goods are considered objects
very tentatively , and only a work of art ....

of certain goods : product of labor, set up for sale .

Product Attributes : cost and Consumer Price .

Any of the selected color meanings to mfr. poorly applied arts
 ( Well, more "[COLOR=Sienna"]product of labor "[/COLOR] and fro ) .

Accordingly, the approach to the sale of works of art
 as to the sale of goods - hardly true.
There may be some Western theories on this.

I would use the term " non-marketable investment object ." <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

[iosif]

Sergey burly, the product of labor , created for sale. Is not about the picture? And as for the difference in cost and value all the time and I say <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
So , in my opinion, still goods.
As for the scientific -pop - that's my style . Strictly scientific opus read one. And here only in the " diary " of more than fifty hits .
As for the opinion of Paul , the " let a hundred flowers grow ," including the colors of Paul <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
The main thing is that someone seemed little article useful. In terms of not less than five and specifics .

[Сергей Дородный]

Yes, an excellent article , would be more such on the forum.

Price - in this case, the concept of political economist .
To quote the old man : "Price is the money value Cost".

Ie Price horseshoe as it is possible to estimate \\\\ present and expressed by Price. But Price pictures ... ?

For example, " throes of creation " must be taken into account in the price?
And the cost of creative assignment in Myshkin ( in PM . Vodka , sauna, girls) ?