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Старый 25.12.2012, 22:38 Язык оригинала: Русский       #21
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passage where? abroad. We are talking only about the time of importation.
By the way , the old temahttp ://forum.artinvestment.ru /showthread.php? T = 87451
Where these problems are covered in detail . The fact that I have discussed these issues with officials of the Ministry of Culture and with the leadership of the SCC.
Do you want to import as a commodity - is imported, only declare the goods have written that no one molested. If you have declared , then no you can not do anything . And get home to write them a couple of good complaint to have been taught the laws.



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Старый 25.12.2012, 22:49 Язык оригинала: Русский       #22
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passage where? abroad. We are talking only about the time of importation.
It does not matter. Here is a typical example:
http://lenta.ru/news/2011/05/23/benois/

In passenger baggage in the "Sheremetyevo" found illustrations of Alexander Benois

Customs officers airport "Sheremetyevo" detained had flown in from New York, Russian woman, who was found in the luggage of four illustrations of Alexander Benois early XX century, reported May 23 at the site of the FCS. Passenger, was returning from the auction Christie's, tried to bring Benoit work in Russia without declaring.
"The results of expert examination revealed that these items are authentic classic theatrical works by Alexander Benois, among them - designed theater costumes 'Skorokhod', 'man in uniform', 'Dancing Lady' and 'Court lady'", - stated in the FCS .

So, to those found in the luggage of a woman works apply the law "On the export and import of cultural property", according to which they are subject to a written declaration with a mandatory registration.

In connection with the incident investigation Sheremetyevo customs department began testing under part 2 of article 188 of the Criminal Code (smuggling).



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Старый 25.12.2012, 22:58 Язык оригинала: Русский       #23
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Respected, even I - a dark man - I know that four theatrical Benoit is worth more than the permissible amount of duty-free goods.
And quite rightly raised the question of initiating a case of smuggling.
And so what part of imputed - smuggling KC or product - it effect.



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Старый 25.12.2012, 23:13 Язык оригинала: Русский       #24
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Dear , even I - a dark man - I know that four theatrical Benoit is worth more than the permissible amount of duty-free goods. And quite rightly raised the question of initiating a case of smuggling. And so what part of imputed - smuggling KC or product - it investigation .
The price here is irrelevant . Key phrase - " they are subject to a written declaration with a mandatory registration ." This refers to registration as KC, mandatory product registration is not necessary .

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Here's more :

Goods subject to obligatory declaration
- Artistic and cultural assets (paintings, sculptures, icons , ancient coins, orders, medals, stamps , etc.);
http://www.aeroflot.net/declar/

So with items to go on the green corridor illegally , regardless of their price.

Interesting, but us khmelev this question nobody faced in practice?




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Старый 25.12.2012, 23:37 Язык оригинала: Русский       #25
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We're talking about a literary work
No, " we speak " of the first edition, and the book about Paul Negri - that is to say it is fiction literature.
Perhaps the non-fiction, but literature.
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Старый 26.12.2012, 01:36 Язык оригинала: Русский       #26
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The price here is irrelevant. Key phrase - "they are subject to a written declaration with a mandatory registration." This refers to registration as KC, mandatory product registration is not necessary.

You are right. KC is subject to compulsory declaration, regardless of price. By "subject spets.registratsii" - should be understood - you must .....
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Article 23. Procedure for import of cultural property

The imported cultural values ​​subject to customs controls and special registration in the manner prescribed by the Federal Service for the Conservation of Cultural Property in conjunction with the federal executive body authorized in the field of customs.
(In red. Federal Law of 06.12.2011 N 409-FZ)
Otherwise it's smuggling
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Article 56. Responsibility for the illegal export and smuggling of cultural property

1. For the purpose of this Act the smuggling and smuggling of cultural property means export and import of cultural values, carried out in violation of the rules established by this Law, the customs legislation of the Customs Union and (or) the law of the Russian Federation on the customs.
(In red. Federal Law of 06.12.2011 N 409-FZ)
2. Illegal import and export of cultural property are classified as contraband and punishable under the criminal laws of the Russian Federation and the legislation of the Russian Federation on Administrative Violations.
http://vch.ru/cgi-bin/guide.cgi?tabl...n=show&id=5585

A product shall be subject to compulsory declaration if
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The list of goods subject to mandatory declaration in writing
Subject to written declaration goods transported in carry-on baggage, accompanied and unaccompanied baggage:
1. Imported goods, the total value of which exceeds 1500 euro and /or the total weight of more than 50 kilograms
2. .................................................. .
7. Cultural values.

So Comrade. khmelev you got your "pot" for 100 euros declared only for "intimidation" customs. And apparently your pedantry they made an impression >



KC KC or not, by law, can be solved only by an expert. Neither you nor uv.tov. khmelev, no customs have no such right.

Because law that the "tongue" is one thing, through which one can get a "hand."
Ignorance you whether imported or not the subject of the CC does not release you from liability, including criminal prosecution.

Let's say you do not know it or not KC. And the result is such garbage:

1.If import (unknowingly) KC (say cost 1000 euros, that is not necessary to pay a fee) as a commodity - it kontrobanda KC. And the Criminal Code.

2.Kupili image for 10 000 euros admission to KC. A judge is not confirmed (ie you was just a commodity, not KC). You can (in theory) to impute "exit" from the payment of duty on goods imported to Russia for more than 65 thousand rubles. statements by him as KC. Again, the Criminal Code.

PS reference to the Criminal Code does not give in order not to upset respected collectors. >
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Старый 26.12.2012, 07:07 Язык оригинала: Русский       #27
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If you carefully read the law, you will see that it is a "cultural treasures of Russia," and not at all about the KC. Thus, up to the moment of entry into the customs territory, it is generally "nothing" in terms of the law. Since the entry of these items are goods transported across the border. You have to be declared. Writing as a commodity. Writing as KC. Or orally. There is conclusive declaration, when you silently pass through the green channel. The last should not be done in this case.
  If you're taking a picture worth 100,000 euros, then of course it is better to bring it all, declaring as KC. By the way, in which case you can get a big hand, p.ch. the law still requires making the declaration value of the subject. If you want to make a claim - and how to pay, and show the payment system, and where the money - then it can.
  If you're taking a picture worth 1000 euros, it must declare in writing as a commodity. If you are asked why you are not declared as KC, you should answer that you are not an expert, but the law explicitly prescribes who is an expert in this case.
If you are not an expert, then you can declare as CC that may be deemed as such only an expert?

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here's a quote : I. Receive confirmation of the imported and temporarily imported goods to cultural values

2. To obtain written confirmation that the imported ( temporarily imported ) objects are cultural values, natural or legal person to import or during entry into the territory of the Russian Federation, such items may apply to Rosokhrankultura , territorial authority or present in the customs control expert Rosokhrankultura
***
Note the word "may "

Source : http://rosohrancult.mkrf.ru/document...l.php?ID=82325
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Added after 16 minutes
here's a quote : I. Receive confirmation of the imported and temporarily imported goods to cultural values

2. To obtain written confirmation that the imported ( temporarily imported ) objects are cultural values, natural or legal person to import or during entry into the territory of the Russian Federation, such items may apply to Rosokhrankultura , territorial authority or present in the customs control expert Rosokhrankultura
***
Note the word "may "

Source : http://rosohrancult.mkrf.ru/document...l.php?ID=82325
Come back and download the " guidelines "




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Старый 26.12.2012, 12:01 Язык оригинала: Русский       #28
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2 . To obtain written confirmation that the imported ( temporarily imported ) objects are cultural values, natural or legal person to import or during entry into the territory of the Russian Federation, such items may apply to Rosokhrankultura , territorial authority or present in the customs control expert Rosokhrankultura
***
Note the word "may "
It is not clear that: a picture , for example, the contemporary artist on the canvas , and so can be considered as a commodity and not automatically, as KC ? And you have to stock up in advance of the document that is KC ? Even if the author is importing ? It is also at the discretion of the customs ?
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K-Maler, in which contemporary authors paintings are cultural value (KC)?

But the way the question is clearly not for the subject, if you wish to discuss this, I'll create a separate.



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Старый 26.12.2012, 13:25 Язык оригинала: Русский       #30
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K-Maler, in which contemporary authors paintings are cultural value (KC)?
Oscar Rabin - a modern writer or not?
His painting was recognized KC without question and persuasion.



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