Secondary and primary markets

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

And not the other way right?
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and I think so!
> but as it continues again and again to meet such a statement, agreed to raise the topic on the forum >

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

artart, and why?
Why?

(The secondary is when the act of sale occurred twice)

Or not, after the first sale (donation) is considered a secondary market!

I think that promoting such an idea is part of a campaign Auctions

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Сообщение от Alex Sander

I do somehow did not understand the wording . "Primary and secondary market " - what? If the problem is that the primary market - this is an auction, and secondary - is a gallery , can only advise: do not communicating with those among whom such views are prevalent . Who knows what other views they might find ... >

when it is being promoted in the minds of the "new" customers from outside is not just an opinion , but some kind of a quiet subversive work >

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Сообщение от Toinen

Not only when stolen!

 
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all unsubscribe at theme thank you very much.
really like to see such a topic was raised and solved.
Forum respected and read and I hope that the range of views will no longer blindly follow the propaganda > > >

[NATA NOVA]

Poraskinuv brains and summarizing the results of the auction porodazh (available to me), here's my final thought on the primary-secondary market (art):
The secondary market is the sale of works of art by a third party (not the artist himself). (That's all.)
That's what I think. (If Korotnev simply and clearly)

[color="#666 686"]Posted 2 hours 16 minutes[/color]
Here is a quote, which had meetings mention of "primary market" and "secondary market":
(In my opinion is quite wrong, and put that vzabluzhdenie artart:

When the relative obviousness of best sellers, making the "linear" rating of the most expensive works impossible that primarily inhibit two aspects: 1. transactions may be separated from one another for decades (comparative price analysis is complicated), 2. the only data that can officially have the experts - it's starting and selling prices of products auctions(primary market).the secondary art market (ie private sale) is difficult to monitor: the exact amount of the transaction, usually secret, the most that can be found - is its order. A secondary market prices often outperform the auction. For example, the official (auction=) record sales for Richter (Gerhard Richter) is $ 5.4 million (Three Candles, 1982, sold in 2001), whereas, according to one of the dealers of the artist, early Richter (1960 gg.) sold privately for 9-10 million dollars.
http://www.gelos.ru/sale/arhjournal/0003 ...

[color="#666 686"]Posted 2 hours 29 minutes[/color]
Not for nothing Artart raised the issue, because in Russian, even the definition of such failed vyguglit ..

Here is what was found only in English:

What is the difference between the primary and secondary art market?
The primary art market refers to when an artwork comes to the market for the first time at a gallery or any other art exhibition. This is the time when the price for the artwork is established for the first time.

In technical terms, similar to the maker of a design product, a sail boat, or jewelry, the gallerist /dealer, in conjunction with the artist, establishes a selling price based on the cost of research and development /creation of the product. The age-old truism from the economic theory on "supply and demand" defines this pricing structure. When the demand grows for the works of a particular artist's work, whether paintings, sculptures, photographs, or graphic prints, the value and the price of the art increases. Generally, speaking, the greater the demand, the higher the price the artwork would command on the primary market.

Once the artwork is purchased on the primary market and the purchaser, whether a collector, a business, a foundation or a dealer, decides to sell it, it enters the secondary market. For example, most artworks at an auction house form part of the secondary market, as the artwork has already been purchased once. In simpler terms, one would refer to the "secondary market" as the "used" or "second-hand" market.
taken from here:
http://www.picassomio.com/art-apprec...rt-market.html

Translated into Russian by the last sentence:
Put (in simple terms), the product can be counted among the "secondary market" if it had been "used" or "second hand" market. (who may, even provide a better translation, this is a "crib")

That was very close to my morning conclusion (which I am very happy!)
Compare: The secondary market is the sale of works of art by a third party (not the artist himself).
That is: Second Hand or secondary market!
[color="#666 686"]Posted 2 hours 43 minutes[/color]

Сообщение от artart; 1683503"

I think that promoting such an idea is part of a campaign of auctions

Сообщение от artart; 1683503"

I hope that the range of views will no longer blindly follow the propaganda

artart, I think it's not "propaganda" but simply a lack of professionalism .. (glitch on the ground "> > <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
 based on the above considerations auction may be the "primary market" just in case. when the product and the price appears there FIRST!

All figured out
Thank you all!

[artart]

correctly.
statistics but also to auction divided into two.
and do not forget that this is a separate business and sometimes with fictitious sales and a buzz))) and its advertising campaign and etc. and etc. >

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Сообщение от artart

is correct.
statistics but also to auction divided into two.
and do not forget that this is a separate business and sometimes with fictitious sales and a buzz))) and its advertising campaign and

 
did not understand ...

[artart]

Well, it's also an auction not an easy thing))

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA; 1686233"

is correct. statistics but also to auction divided into two .

the statistics and why it is necessary to divide by two?

Сообщение от artart; 1686213"

sometimes with bogus sales ,

Of course! ( or "sometimes" technology has long worked !)
I here what stats are interested in this technology : what is usually a percentage of fictitious sales? And it varies from auction to auction?

artart, " dummy " refers to - samovykup or stated , but not money - are not listed as a vase for Kaitayskaya 38 million or Feshin ( "little cowboy ")?

Сообщение от artart; 1686273"

Well, it's also an auction not an easy thing ))

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA; 1686313"

the statistics and why it is necessary to divide the two ?

auction )) can be three , but I usually suggest to divide into two \\\\ joke .

Сообщение от NATA NOVA; 1686313"

I was here some statistics of interest in this technology : what is usually a percentage of fictitious sales? And it varies from auction to auction?
........" dummy "refers to - samovykup or claimed , but no money is made ​​, as the Chinese vase for 38 million or Feshin ( " the little cowboy ")?

oooo it's a great new theme , which was opened in our conversation . I think the more we all just need to share personal observations.

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Сообщение от artart

just need to share personal observations.

here and there already flashed on our personal experiences and insights of those who are physically present at the auction, it would be really interesting ..

Because there with the Chinese vase it finished?