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Старый 17.07.2013, 18:58 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2641
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I asked to see Kabakov which you so much crucified. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
Show I'm not going to, but the fragment interview chapter «Sotheby's Russia," Mikhail Kamensky bring about Ilya Kabakov :

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What happens at auction with our modern writers? Throughout the world, more and more money is spent on the actual art - in Europe, Asia, the United States.

Modern Art in the Russian collections little demand for it has fallen since 2008. This is one of the consequences of the upheavals that have experienced the world and, in particular, the Russian economy. And political way, too: many of those who bought the Russian art in Russia, went out of the country and stopped collecting Russian art abroad. Either they are no longer bound by and prospects of the development of Russian culture, or have gone bankrupt during the crisis, and now think about their daily bread. There are those who, having left Russia, are beginning to acquire the art of the countries where they settled.

Modern, as well as non-modern Russian art, most of them bought Russian. Move from the category of artists belonging to the modern national school, in the category of artists recognized internationally, almost no one has. A rare exception - Ilya Kabakov, maybe three or four names. This does not mean that no one at all do not buy just selling - not stellar, but collectors - not great.
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Our experiment until that energy is weak, we have so many talented artists, but the breakthrough Russian art they have not provided. Neither Monroe, God rest his soul, nor Oleg Kulik, or AES + F, or of vines and Dubosarskiy. No one could yet rise to the level of international stars, due to objective and subjective reasons. The subjective reason, for example, that none of the artists are not able to find that the only correct language, the artistic technique that would today be in demand on the international art scene. Many could, but someone missed his chance, someone he has not arrived yet, but someone is not meant to be. At the very least, the gap between Kabakov and all the others in terms of popularity and pricing grandiose.

 
 Obviously, we do not have clear written state support program of contemporary art, and this area is poorly funded. The phenomenon of "modern art" becomes a hostage of the socio-political charge, which it always is, if it really modern. The state does not need such a tool, in this enzyme social development as a modern art because it sees it as a tool for social reform. Its quite satisfied with the existing corruption and flickering with occasional splashes. Working with such a tool and use it to their advantage the state can not, and therefore treats him with suspicion. Support for contemporary art - is, including support for social and cultural movement, potentially containing a opposition. And spend money on nurturing this opposition, to provoke her, and then think how to curb it, it does not want.
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Старый 18.07.2013, 08:29 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2642
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Show I'm not going to, but the fragment interview chapter «Sotheby's Russia "Mikhail Kamensky of Ilya Kabakov cite:
It is not necessary to repeat. This is an official statement on behalf of Sotheby's working, so everything is on sale at Sotheby's, even Kabakov of `key. There is no word as buying Kabakov in the west, where is the Sotheby's. This is an interview for Russian oligarchs and Kirillov Syzranskaya. Buy our elephants <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
This is an example of promotion, but not very successful. In the West, no fools, and you?

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It is obvious that we have no clearly-written state program to support contemporary art, and this area is poorly funded. The phenomenon of "modern art" becomes a hostage of the socio-political charge, which it always is, if it really modern. The state does not need such a tool, in this enzyme social development as a modern art because it sees it as a tool for social reform. Its quite satisfied with the existing corruption and flickering with occasional splashes. Working with such a tool and use it to their advantage the state can not, and therefore treats him with suspicion. Support for contemporary art - is, including support for social and cultural movement, potentially containing a opposition. And spend money on nurturing this opposition, to provoke her, and then think how to curb it, it does not want.
This is especially interesting! In all countries of the west contemporary art emerged in opposition to the bourgeois sugary taste. No State shall support any artistic movements. In the formation and continued existence of these currents involved only the enthusiasm of citizens, their taste and experience. During that citizens who have invested money in a particular artist and receive.
We have even seen this website that citizens buy and this is not sovremenschiki. Before all the artists TN underground nurtured by foreigners, and then began to impose their views of their greatness, but the artists who have left there after Desert Storm impaired. Buy them stopped and collection come true here, our not very scrupulous and competent citizens who are they then peredarivat to museums to raise prices for the remainder. What does the policy of the state and other crap? Well I do not like them, incompetent, and all.




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Старый 18.07.2013, 17:56 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2643
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I've written recently that the active participation of Gelman, Salakhova and other rasprekrasnym rossgaleristov Art Moscow has turned for the worse art fair in the world. On the manna and the other said I do not understand anything in the professionalism of our gallerists ...
 And now officially announced that the Art Moscow rested in the Lord .. -
 "Fair" Art Moscow "this year will not be. In an interview with" Kommersant "said the director of" Expo-Park Exhibition Projects "and the organizer of the fair Vasily Bychkov.

Annual International Contemporary Art Fair "Art Moscow" was held in 1996. It was the main venue where they could exhibit the works of leading contemporary art galleries in the capital. However, according to Vasily Bychkov, the project was almost always unprofitable. "Art Moscow" has brought some dividends only in 2007, but profits from the participation of 70 galleries was scanty - 200 thousand rubles. Claims against the quality of the works was to tighten the selection of galleries participating. After the 2008 crisis, fair and not recovered, an increasing proportion of the costs of the organization fell on the shoulders of the organizers. Pull on the project did not make sense. Also among the proposed works was dominated not so much interesting as beautiful. "

 Creating a fair type Affordabl Art has long been discussed on the forum Nata New and me. And now, the CHA is trying to invent the egg-semi-affordabl Fair New Platform. What for? To create a new feeder and Vanity Fair?
There is a world system of Affordable Art Fair, just had to invite them to Moscow and give them the third floor of CHA. They have all established, a permanent list of the world's participants, Moscow would simply included in the list, calendar. No, invent your wheel, square.
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Старый 18.07.2013, 17:59 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2644
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I wrote here recently that the active participation of Gelman, Salakhova and other rasprekrasnym rossgaleristov Art Moscow has turned for the worse art fair in the world.
And what does Mr. Gelman and Ms. Salakhova to have this Moscow art fair?
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Старый 18.07.2013, 22:01 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2645
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And now trying to invent egg CHA-
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No, invent your wheel, square.
Along the way, turn the wheel in fidk eggs?
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Старый 29.07.2013, 11:22 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2646
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Today discussed the article on facebook

CHINA . CLONING OF ART ART

Art cloning
In China, the copy number of the industry has gained an extraordinary scale.
In Dafen village , whose population consists of several thousand artists that produced about 60 %of world art clones ..


http://rupo.ru/m/3860/kitay._iskusst...rVQk0.facebook

I like this artist's statement Igor Pestova : " the market is also sold without the sausage meat, so what of it? Russian artists do not analyze the world in which they live , are not interested in men, do not have a position , and not at risk a lot of talk about the art market ) ) dream of becoming huckster , instead of the hero) ) All natural ... "



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I like this artist's statement Igor Pestova : " the market is also sold without the sausage meat, so what of it? Russian artists do not analyze the world in which they live , are not interested in men, do not have a position , and not at risk a lot of talk about the art market ) ) dream of becoming huckster , instead of the hero) ) All natural ... "
It was he , apparently, is currently said , not otherwise. For how could he know for all artists , right? He knows only about itself, and on its own judges others .



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Старый 29.07.2013, 13:47 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2648
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I like this statement by Igor Pestova
And where is it?



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Старый 29.07.2013, 14:57 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2649
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This was discussed this article on facebook

CHINA. CLONING OF ART ART

Art cloning
In China, the copy number of the industry has gained an extraordinary scale.
In Dafen village, whose population consists of several thousand artists that produced about 60%of world art clones ..


http://rupo.ru/m/3860/kitay._iskusst...rVQk0.facebook

I like this artist's statement Igor Pestova : "the market is also sold without the sausage meat, so what of it? Russian artists do not analyze the world in which they live, are not interested in men, do not have a position, and not at risk a lot of talk about the art market)) dream of becoming huckster, instead of the hero)) All natural ... "
And here the clones. We are talking about the copies. Copies have been and they were made for sale as a copy. Matisse made copies, the students make a copy. Clones or fakes it is quite another crime. Copies can be made in any amount. There is even a copy machine, where mimic strokes.
The difference in price. The original is always worth many times more, even incomparable. Copies to close the hole in the wall and start a conversation with the guests about high and out of reach. You can have a reputation on the cheap, but to give a copy of the original is impossible.
Simply rivet copies, but it's the tale of the lost time and mediocre artists.




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Старый 29.07.2013, 15:09 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2650
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Apparently bad try.
It is necessary to correct something in the plumbing.
No, it's fine.
It can go sideways - do not need a traditional steering mechanism.



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