Is it possible to create and develop the art market without kommodifikatsii art?

[Seriy]

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Cyril Syzransky, crude and unworthy drove on a user.

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wharf,
Cyril Syzransky, crude and unworthy hit a nick.

Oosspadya whom you there again pressed Cyril Syzransky?
I realize, of course, that artists - the children, and accordingly - the flowers of life. But then they should grow in flowerbeds, and not introduced in burelomy business.

Nonsense you say some

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A very large part of the work in regional museums and regional private collections.

I remember once: Alexander Panteleev.
In Vologda, where he lived after moving from Ufa in the 76 th and until the death of 90-m, it is known and loved. There is a memorial of his shop as a branch of the Vologda Picture Gallery.
And many of the chapels Vologda know him?
Artists of today's older generation, know, of course. He has had an impact on many large. Here are artists, yes, they know. And, perhaps, talking with colleagues call this the author-zero emotion, generally held by many.
But only when the life Panteleeva in Moscow, Vologda, and many cities of Russia took sixteen his personal exhibitions. Forty museums in Russia and the CIS are his paintings and drawings. Six paintings stored in the Tretyakov Gallery. Over eighty collectors in Russia, CIS and foreign owned his work. In the life of the artist in his creative studio holds about 100 paintings and 1000 drawings. Today Vologda Picture Gallery has 136 paintings and 1268 drawings Panteleyev, possessing the most complete collection of his works, covering all periods of the master's from 1956 to 1990 and all its thematic cycles and stylistic directions.

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Who have you there again pressed Cyril Syzransky?

I just went to the PC, no one else "crush" does not have time.
Yes, and someone to push something? Life is already so many "crushed "...

[Seriy]

wharf, I am you and Cyril replied to a question about the ban. Polite and clever you are our ...

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Berth,
Cyril Syzransky grossly undignified and hit a nick.
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I think Sergei meant AleksandraG. (when nepolo proposal verbally, frequent mental confusion)

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Forty museums in Russia and the CIS are his paintings and drawings. Six paintings stored in the Tretyakov Gallery. Over eighty collectors in Russia, CIS and foreign owned his work.

Here a dog and rummaged in the fragmentation of the material before the promotion.
We have something similar happens with the works of Herman Meteleva. Due to their high cost for local client - they all scattered. Trace their decent life for their hunt with us, but to buy at very high prices are not ready. Promotion is not enough.
Arranged auction (all big and not very artists turned in their work) on the album and the pictures Meteleva, of course, too, were. But the heiress of the album was never issued. Looking to and exhibitions in Moscow and other cities. And so - a collection of odds and all the sly.
Although there are many examples where a lot of the work of one artist are concentrated in one hand, and promotion does not happen because of lack of funds or pereotsenivaniya subject.
In a different case.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

and regional more fortunate with the recognition in the capital, Andrey G. Pozdeeva. His many in Moscow, and collect not only too late.

He and we know it.

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him, and we know it.

In Krasnoyarsk, were the authors of On-ho!
Ryauzov, Ryannel, Meshkov, Roslyakov, droplets, Klimanov, Deev ...
We do not know, but still working, they say, Gorensky, Prokhorov, Gorbatko, Danilov, Bondin ...
They are in the West know better than in Russia.

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A Igoshev Vladimir?
His Siberian, many believe because of its theme, and his house-museum in the Khanty-Mansiysk opened.

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But for those who want someone to untwist there are artists St. Petersburg. And not far away, and many, and quality.

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Here are questions that arise from the heirs.
I have already given examples of care attitude to their heritage.

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In Krasnoyarsk, were the authors of On-ho!
Ryauzov, Ryannel, Meshkov, Roslyakov, droplets, Klimanov, Deev ...
We do not know, but still working, they say, Gorensky, Prokhorov, Gorbatko, Danilov, Bondin ...
They are in the West know better than in Russia.

 In Krasnoyarsk, a great museum, a wonderful museum director Alexander Efimovskiy - people in their shops and many of our artists.
Branch Academy of Arts, again. Good soil, not all regions so lucky.
For a tip-off to the artists - thanks to all of today look on the Internet, omnogih not heard.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

A Igoshev Vladimir?
His Siberian, many believe because of its theme, and his house-museum in the Khanty-Mansiysk opened.

We have him for her, of course, keep , although virtually all the work in Khanty-Mansiysk. Neither retrospective Urals Museum of Fine Arts Artists in work is not without its costs.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

But for those who want someone to untwist there are artists St. Petersburg. And not far away, and many, and quality.

Very, yes!
The pain just is not very "Moscow" artists. And here's the way we should be very even occurred.

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Here are questions that arise from the heirs.
I have already given examples of care attitude to their heritage.

Not even know what's worse. Specifically naplevatelstvo manifested in different ways.
What happens, sit, sit on the pictures for decades, Deng, no array orgomny, no exhibitions or catalogs, and then start to throw off but on different hands.
That - and sit. We have to Ohlupinym so. still a little bit of folk artist and no one will remember. Solarization large array with no active operations on promotion - not a useful thing.

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That is, sit, sit on the pictures for decades, Deng, no array orgomny, no exhibitions or catalogs, and then start to throw off yes on different hands.

Here, I will give a quote for you.
We would not have written so, and then after the conversation is just unsubscribed from fresh impressions.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

One Validating your questions http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...5&postcount=49
recalled the situation.
Recently, almost at the same time I was approached the heirs of two artists who died in the early 2000's. requesting the creation of albums of their fathers.
I then, immediately after the death of artists, had conversations with them just about it.
But then they did not heed my advice. Although I have just offered to send superprofessionalnogo photographer and make shooting frost, even in the future, but that is all fix. Should not have anything from them except the desire. No, even the money do not take the time, do not sell yet (!), Is a matter of two or three days.
No, they came to "collectors", poked his finger: "This, this, this and this took away most ...", (!!!) best, twenty, fifteen paintings at a time.
And in the end. For the exhibition is anything else you can gather, work to 30 at least, but for the album at least 100 photos of the most interesting is not found.
And the issues with sales remained. Sell more they want. But how to sell, when the artists have already forgotten about, no exhibitions, no albums ...
Sold most-most-cream.
Remains that have not bought a carton, sketches, portraits of family members ...
A sad situation.
And all because they did not want to deal with professionals, listen to other people and used by other councils. Decided to "Activities" legacy of themselves and all their activities are limited to opening the doors of workshops and conversion of notes sold for.
Final of the "occupation" legacy was obvious to nimu some heirs and came ...

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Сообщение от Peter

I think this topic vazhnoy.Mozhet whether someone else to speak? "There are artists (their heirs), whose exhibitions were held 30 years ago and more or no vystavlyalis.Ih knows and remembers a very limited circle of people mostly of hudozhniki.Mozhno whether such work is now unleash the art market.?

There's not so simple. Untwist nobody needs to be, we should trade. Hermes the god of arts, as we know was also the god of commerce. Now all the difficulties just lie in the difficulties of selling already bought things, ie turnover of things. Strange but the transition of paintings from hand to hand, we not only welcome but also as something almost crime. Therefore, when large numbers of paintings in the workshops and things, raises questions where to take things for auction. So yesterday I found a chair in the garbage Louis 19 French work. Places no time for restoration-handed. Do you think Drouot always been so, so they sold everything up to ... So now they have rooms crammed with such things, but we have salon once a year with horses.