Abstract forever

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky; 1567421"

So why did the paintings is something to increase, to try to discover any fragments, etc.
Da Vinci wrote:
"I advise you to look at the walls, stained by water and mold, and you'll be there to behold the divine forms of mountains, forests, valleys, and then you will see there battles and face and body in great variety."

Very useful, Cyril Syzransky, you are reminded of this remarkable excerpt from "Learning the painter" (in the fullest form, it shows here), proving that the great founder of Surrealism)) simultaneously laid the foundations for a productive, creative interpretation of abstract art.

iside, at the same time the text frees you from the labors surf nut. articles with scientists from the evidence truisms. Can not doubt that LCR is not worse than you know that everything that we see, the imagination brings to the mite. But the fact that after the fifth glass of any image is possible y to see devils, do not cancel the validity of the assertion that "a picture is impossible see is Why not, "which obviously had in mind.

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

yeah Take a piece dresses Velazquez 10x10 cm, increase up to 2 meters - and compare with any abstraktsistom

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

try to allocate rukaf and increase it to meter size.

Along this road we're going straight to my grandfather Krylov:

«What are the butterflies, insects,
Gnats, flies, tarakashki!
What are the tiny ladybugs!
There is really less a pinhead! "-
"And see if an elephant? What is in sight! "
"Do you think there is he?" - "There!". - "Well, my friend, is to blame:
Elephant's something I did not notice ».

Do I need to explain that the elephant - it is a picture in its entirety. If you do not perceive the whole, and looking at color kozyavok, then we will see on the canvas just "a whim and arbitrariness."

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

So why did the paintings is something to increase , to try to discover any fragments , etc.
 Da Vinci wrote :

Well , and you're there too .

There is no such artist - da Vinci.
Well, not name it , you know ?

Illiterate author of the novel ( as it is ? Dan Brown sort of) did not even know it .

There is an artist Leonardo ( da Vinci) .


As there is no artist Vecellio .
And no artist Santi .

And da Vinci no .

Incidentally , this statement Leonardo is known to everyone from 14 years , including all the artists normal .

It is very interesting to look into nature , to admire and dream .

Abstraktivisty turned away from life , from nature .
Therefore, their art is dead and alien people .

[Кирилл Сызранский]

[QUOTE="Guriev, Igor; 1567913]Well, do not name it, you know?[/QUOTE]

How not to name?
So what?
Leonardo - the name, and Da Vinci - the name.

Now since it is perceived.

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

why their art is dead and alien people.

About the people you seem to.

And in general.

while the people ignorant of art for us the most important are film and circus! VI Ulyanov-Lenin.

Lenin - is not a name.

Сообщение от "Guriev, Igor

Well, do not name it, you know?

 

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Huh? and immediately :
angry shout, the smell of fresh tar ,
A mysterious mold on the wall ...
And the verse is , enthusiasm , affectionate ,
For the joy you and ( to perish )to me . ( c)
A ?

In - in .
And they themselves bring a realistic poem , and not abstract, not Holes Blvd schil on which the abstract poetry and over .

I've been all my life wondering what it abstr . painting is not completed in the first abstract watercolor Comrade . Kandinsky and the Black Square Comrade . Malevich ...

Well, it's not viable "art ", is pure vexation of spirit, of Ecclesiastes straight ...

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Сообщение от "Cyril Syzransky

How not to name?
So what?
Leonardo - the name, and Da Vinci - the name.

Now since it is perceived.

Have you read a normal dictionary, written before the brainless and ignorant by Dan Brown.

And find the "name" Santee, Vecellio and da Vinci.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Guriev , Igor

by themselves and bring a realistic poem , and not abstract, not Holes Blvd schil on which the abstract poetry and ended .

What should I bring ?
Sorry, I'm an "abstract " poetry does not know , apparently this is something which does not require paper records through the letters and characters pripenaniya .

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

What should I bring?

Sorry, I'm an "abstract" poetry does not know

How does it know?

A "Holes Blvd schil?
What's this?

No abstract poetry?

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Сообщение от SAH; 1567461 "

that it give us? ? I can not understand .

This will give us a sense of superiority over any friend of Velazquez friend abstraktivistom .

You wonder why the greatest artists of the 20 th century Matisse and Picasso never wrote a single abstract painting ?

This is because they understand that it will not be painting .

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от "Guriev, Igor

No abstract poetry?

Well, call it so, if you want.
For me, this is what stihotvorenetse - exeperimental novice poet.

And what does looking Russian Futurists at the beginning.
Twentieth century are the subject Abstract forever?

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Yes, and how do searches Russian Futurists at the beginning. Twentieth century are the subject Abstract forever?

Very simple.
Abstract poetry, just born, just died.
Because no one will read the abstract combinations of letters.

But for some reason it is believed that abstract color combinations interesting.

Personally, I do not think so. And people, too, does not think so.

And I was always with my people and where my people munched and drank.

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Сообщение от Art-lover; 1567891"

Do I need to explain that the elephant - it is a picture in its entirety. If you do not perceive the whole, and looking at color kozyavok, then we will see on the canvas just "a whim and arbitrariness."

Just exactly the opposite.
Increase lace Velazquez - and you feel there is a plastic idea, recoding the language of painting a visual impression of reality.

Not arbitrary, but something prohibitively moschnetskoe, as always with Velazquez.

Because he portrayed a particular subject and the subject was interesting to him as an excuse to speak out.
Portrayed, so to speak, the abstract - if the latter approach.
And at first approximation - this brilliant transformation and image of a specific subject - lace.

Abstraktivisty not understand that for a normal artist's subject - only the opportunity for comment, and not an end in itself.

This is for the Alma-Tadema was an end in itself, but not for Velazquez.
Velazquez created a new universe, but does not repaint the surrounding persons, etc.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

[QUOTE="Guriev, Igor; 1568013]I was always with my people and where my people had lived and drank.[/QUOTE]

Yes, yes, yes ...

[I][B][COLOR="Navy"]... and not under alien firmament

And not under the protection of alien wings ...[/COLOR][/B][/I] (c)

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от LCR

Of course, I'm sorry, but:
the picture you can not see what there is;
the picture you can not see what is not.

Absolutely.
And on this occasion you can even write an essay.

Right.
In the picture you can not see what is there. Remember the famous double portrait of merchants Holbein, where a disk - an elongated skull. It can be seen only came to a picture from a certain angle, a side view.

But it is true, and more.
In the picture you can see what is not. For example, in the picture Vasnetsov Ivan Tsarevich on Grey Wolf "on his sleeve Ivan Tsarevich me as a child was seen someone's face.

A general notion of "a picture of something there" - is very conditional.

Examining pictures do not have a natural comparison of images from the subject.

Our experience is based on visual, auditory, taktilnyhi others look and feel.
They are, in general, neobsuzhdabelny, since each has its own.
One with a spider comes in blissful mood, and the lady what could and screamed.
When we see a spider in the picture, the lady is unlikely to scream.
Artist might be interested in the play of light on the web and its seta, its shape and so on.
And the spider there would only be a reason for expression.

How to "go out alone on the road" does not mean that Comrade. Lermontov was out on the road and just one.

Just have the concept of "one", "Road", "spider," "flower", "sky" - and poets and artists use them.