Plein Air to abstract

[GalARTA]

Сообщение от tam

So, the latest work only formal (externally) is an abstract work, as it was the result of impressions from what you see, the real (material)

We are already on the three subjects realized that half of the artists and the audience finds abstract reasoning and logical activities of the author and the other half believes this kind of painting - a manifestation of the unconscious world, which has no analogues in the world around. In support of these views have already been given numerous citations Great, I will not repeat them.

To stop the repetition of questions and recriminations, I want to say that I myself and most of the participants of the project is firmly on the first position. (We are discussing is not - mistakenly or not)
That is why we believe that recent work written by our project participants - the concrete examples of abstract painting (A is not the entire series is an abstract art)

I see that in the abstract paintings of Kandinsky, which we always speak clearly present composition and drawing, and that is what gives us the right to speak about the conscious creation of his works. The same applies to works of Malevich and Mondrian (second-favorite author of the project participants).
if you look closely at the work of our artists, then the direct stylization, simplification, dekoratizatsii etc. primary plot there is not present. But the impression of the city, its history, people, architecture - and certainly there. So at present Malevich impression of a peasant, in two dimensions, while Kandinsky regularly attends the impression of his favorite music - an abstraction Vasily literally own sound!

I will try to reiterate the basic idea of our creative work - to try to survive the moment of birth, creation of abstract art at the beginning of the way - 100 years ago (but not to worry ALL 100 YEARS AT ONCE).

Let me remind you again that most of the participants of the project - it is long-established artists - abstractionist. Their work to satisfy the demanding tastes of museums of Ukraine and Europe, serious collectors and gallery owners. I think that to accuse them of faking the activities and the creation of "only superficially abstract paintings" rather strange.

Dear's opponents, it would be great if you could set up their own projects to the 100 anniversary of abstract art, then we would play on an equal footing.

[tam]

Firstly, I personally do not opponent, support your project and read with interest the topic, and secondly, of course thin. value of the work does not depend on their degree of abstraction or realism only if the artist does not set itself specific targets and a project there are always goals and objectives.

Сообщение от GalARTA

I see that in the abstract paintings of Kandinsky, which we always speak clearly present composition and image ...

Not at all! Yes, they can be called composition ... abstract, consisting of basic graphic and pictorial elements, such as line, point, spot, etc. Of course, you can call it and a picture, but nepredmetnym.

... And that is what gives us the right to speak about the conscious creation of his works.

I think the majority of works of art were created deliberately, but rather a discussion about what abstract art is art created let consciously (or unconsciously) but not on the basis of what they had seen the real objects, as well as a certain projection of feelings, sensations, and sometimes obscure (abstract), which the author draws from his inner world, not the outside world. (But outside, too! Is also a certain kind of abstraction, which, probably, and controversial, discussion) abstract work the artist creates his own reality.

from Kandinsky regularly attends the impression of his favorite music - an abstraction Vasily themselves literally sound!

Yes, but the music itself is abstract, at a Kandinsky and pointed.

try to survive the moment of birth, creation of abstract art at the beginning of the way - 100 years ago

Perhaps this is a simulation of the nucleation process, and in fact it was just a process, not time. I did not mean the simulation activity, a certain design of the abstract work on samples of 100 years ago, but the "series" I see it as a conscious move away from objectivity by abstracting=stylization of the original image. Do not quite understand why it sounds to you as an accusation that's wrong. Yes, and it is only on the activities of artists in this project, and not at all.

Simple argument about abstractionism already gone beyond the topic of the open air, so you should not take everything personally, it's an interesting discussion, an attempt to call all their names.

[GalARTA]

Сообщение от tam

Simple argument about abstractionism already gone beyond the topic of the open air, so you should not take everything personally, it's an interesting discussion, an attempt to call all their names.

You're absolutely right. Mind, I also understand that the debate has acquired a global character, and probably will not matter what project we planned, but more important, as we all understand abstract art. However, I'm mostly not a theoretician and practitioner, therefore, appeal to the project when it is necessary to abstract from it))) In any case I am grateful to you for your interest and support.

Added after 1 minutes 8 minutes
Apparently, the main discussion issues have shifted to the theme "Abstract art forever," perhaps there is more convenient to debate.))) There, we're not talking about the particulars, but try to "call a spade a spade," even though it is an illusion.
Things alone, and the names we give them different)))

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от lusyvoronova; 1531101"

"But take out 10 artists to the island and leave only the white guash.Che be?" It's not a game,

This is a serious objection! Such actions are reminiscent of some Soviet installation ... The theme here is given, done in such a manner ... here's the problem. How is this different from the one from which fled. Creative freedom in this case is problematic. Although the decorative result is, ie order situation there.

[SHCH]

Сообщение от K-Maler; 1532973"

The theme here is given, done in such a manner ...

 Manner remains at everyone, and the degree of freedom of the artist chooses
how "job" he came up and I was interesno.Naprimer on another principle altogether worked and does not decompose a particular image, but rather to synthesize their perception, moving from expressionism to abstract forms.

[fabosch]

Сообщение от K-Maler

This is a serious objection! Such actions are reminiscent of some Soviet installation ... The theme here is given, done in such a manner ... here's the problem. How is this different from the one from which fled. Creative freedom in this case is problematic.

But to say so - it's too early, that criticize Biennale watercolors for something that does not provide oil painting, a competition for a monument to Brodsky for the fact that they limit the creative freedom and do not give a picture of Pushkin, or competition for the advertising of Absolut vodka for what can not be praise the Capital. Do not like restrictions - do not participate.

And then, from which escaped, differs only in that in earlier times "trough" was almost alone. Now many of them, although still not enough and still have a system of implicit restriction of freedom. Well it was, is and will always and in every society

And about the creative freedom to totally agree with you - it is always problematic, but it depends not only on external conditions, but also from internal installation

[tam]

Сообщение от GalARTA

Apparently, the main discussion issues have shifted to the theme "Abstract art forever," perhaps there is more convenient to debate .)))

Yes, thank you, did not know about this topic.

There we are not talking about the particulars, but try to "call a spade a spade," even though it is an illusion. Things alone, and the names we give them different )))

your things too, sometimes have to deal, not for all they are "alone", and only names they can be very

SHCH, the last three work much, especially the latter. Is not there a high res?

[SHCH]

Сообщение от tam

SHCH, the last three work much, especially the latter.
Is not there a high res?

Thank you, http://www.vsupart.com/пленер-абстра...�льском/

[GalARTA]

Сообщение от tam

the last three work much, especially the latter.
Whether in high resolution

Is in terms of money!

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от fabosch

But to say so - it's too early, that criticize Biennale watercolors for something that does not provide oil painting,

No, this is not the same. And oil and watercolor is just a technique. Both can be used to create abstract images. I'm talking about a situation where the artist's idea of artificially directed to the side, he may be, was not going to choose. In addition, we propose and patronage in the form of exhibitions, etc.