Art as a commodity: Paradoxes and patterns

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Сообщение от Seriy

​​Peter, I do not know what was real and what was not ... Were in the 19th century and the more unusual , nemeynstrimovye artists than Van Gogh , for example, Odilon Redon or abstract Turner. And Van Gogh , IMHO, could not write otherwise , it is interesting here to compare with Gauguin , he did knowingly , prudently , the fact that Van Gogh often did , simply because otherwise could not , could not. And both have created one - the foundation of modernity .

Cyril Syzransky, no , my thought was different.
Here are some nick the word product immediately understand something second-rate and unnecessary real connoisseur of art and the consumer . And the word I mean the product is exactly what a real connoisseur of art and the consumer will buy once and not razdumyaya , because it will have all the qualities that he , the consumer was looking for.
Here's a resident of London, which publishes interesting and full reviews of the London art fairs , once wrote , in essence , the Fair 2012 is no different from 2011 - the same picture , the same artists with the same pictures. And the galleries and artists shut down the entire spectrum of needs and so that there is a new product , you need a buyer with the new requirements . As these needs are being formed , so the new paintings and will be .
The idea that an artist can give birth to something completely new, beautiful, but unreal . Once upon a time Vladimir Bogdanov said that it is necessary to buy a "new Picasso " , te expect the arrival of an artist with the same degree of innovation and productivity. To which I replied that an artist can never and never will. It is incredible too , and the art market operates that is. There are fans of abstract expressionism , there are artists, there are fans of Art Nouveau , we have artists such minimalism , too, is. All niches are occupied , the goods created .

This is a gray apassionarnaya point of view that everything has been done, all that can be found on the Internet, in a restaurant , etc. So sit, you are good.

[Магнолия]

Сообщение от Irina Shurskol

on the Internet, in a restaurant, etc.
So sit, you are well.

No need to be rude.

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Irina Shurskol ; 2766511 "

This is a gray apassionarnaya point of view that everything has been done, all that can be found on the Internet, in a restaurant , etc. So sit, you are good.

That's it! Everyone should rush to the discoverers . Although the new terms to open - stupid , but most importantly to his own. But you are , thank God, not Gumilev . There , among other things , the genes of the parents of the great ...

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Сообщение от Irina Shurskol

So sit, you are good.

If you are bad - read and communicate more ...
Maybe we're lucky.

[ирина шурскол]

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This is not a robot and horseradish modem and the man shurskolsky.
Let us recall the anecdote.
Stalin said the order to shoot, cyclists or Jews?

Are there any questions?
Q: A bike for what?

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Сообщение от Magnolia

Do not be rude.

Petty-bourgeois philistine class opinion is.

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Сообщение от Buscador

That's it! Everyone should rush to the discoverers . Although the new terms to open - stupid , but most importantly to his own. But you are , thank God, not Gumilev . There , among other things , the genes of the parents of the great ...

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If you are bad - read and communicate more ... Maybe you are lucky .

Mediocrity rest.

[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от K-Maler

With you agree to Aristotle . I do not remember the exact quote , but he put it like this - we respect the artists more than artisans because ....


But selling art will always be difficult because , ...

Topic has evolved and moved forward , but still :

K-Maler, I'm not about respect \\\\ disrespect .

I spoke to iosif, which plans to (maybe) write a tutorial about the paintings as merchandise .
Wrote a clarification - say, from the point of view of political economy , paintings (art) is not a commodity , as pictures do not fit the definition of goods given to the classical political economy .

Note - the political economy defines the items Special to separate the product from neTovara . And neTovarom is not involved , since finds no scientific basis for it in the theory of commodity production.

And after all the marketing things are written for a political-economic categories like product .

I thought it would be interesting to think about what is a painting (art) from this point of view.

And you tell me about Aristotle !
I did not philosophize and not moralized , but merely stated scientific fact. I thought the author of the textbook will be interesting.

And sell paintings (art) may be easier when the correct theory will be developed such sales . But she can not appear on the basis of consumer opinions , right? ( Type - just lying on the counter , so good).

ps. If any artist of the approach to the creation of his paintings as to the creation of the goods ( ie marketing approach ), these pictures certainly can be considered a commodity, but it can not be considered art . But it 's not about that.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Sergei burly ; 2766861 "

And you tell me about Aristotle !

But after Aristotle agree with you, rather you with Aristotle , and he - a real guru , and not calculated robot ... I also support your idea, but the amendment : the phrase " art - a unique product ." If it is determined in terms of : call all the goods that may have a price tag , such as " live goods " also takes place ...

[Seriy]

It's a conversation with a deaf -blind . In today's world isskusstvo -commodity , the most successful artists approach the creation and promotion of their works as a product - by Takashi Murakami , Jeff Koons, Damien Hirst . Less successful , could be coming to the creation of works , as a commodity , but they do not get worse .
Unsuccessful quite the artist has to justify its failure in the search for pure art .
In addition to marketing , there is such a component in the creation of the item as professionalism , ability to draw , work with color, create a song , the drama and tension of the brush . Some confuse skill and professionalism.
 Is art a thing or not, initially , at the time the thing is impossible to say , because art - is the creation of images of one person in the head of another person. This requires the test of time and audience .

[Pavel]

Сообщение от K-Maler

But Aristotle agreed with you , rather, you are to Aristotle , and it is - a real guru , and not calculated robot ... I also support your idea, but the amendment : the phrase " art - a unique product ." If it is determined in terms of : call all the goods that may have a price tag , such as " live goods " also takes place ...

I take a piece of wood , canvas and paint , commodity, and that they are written , they are not a commodity , it is art. Therefore, works of art and stand - alone 50p , others 5000000d . What determines how much time and intuition viewer.
I deliberately started talking about the non-recognition of Matisse. At the time, recognized there was something else that we already do not know , the truth threatens to Glazunov voskrest this, but it is more difficult than to dress up in a police gendarme pre-revolutionary form .

[Артём]

Сообщение от Pavel

Glazunov voskrest threatens it, but it is more difficult than to dress up in a police gendarme pre-revolutionary form.

Why?
The forum kozhinart finished academy Glazunov, all right, ranking in the top on the AI: http://artinvestment.ru/invest/ratin..._russians.html.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Artem

Why?
The forum kozhinart finished academy Glazunov, all right, ranking in the top on the AI: http://artinvestment.ru/invest/ratin..._russians.html.

I told Glazunov.