History of Counterfeiting Grigorieva

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от SergeySpb ; 2989761"

For the method patented Basner need a sample of the paint to the canvas ? Who will otkolupyvat paint ( even a small fragment) with paintings worth hundreds of thousands of dollars ?

Does anyone know what the examination carried out by this method ? Is there somewhere a unit issued and whether the examination based on the results obtained in this way ?

[Маруся]

On the general analogies and analogies in the proceedings in particular :

Сообщение от Solnce; 2990631"

In fact Preobrazhensky was a genuine examination of Grabar handed picture for examination not Transfiguration ,

And someone challenges the authenticity examination Grigorieva " in Grabar " referenced by Andrey Vasilyev , and on which it is - they - and pointed ? So send a public inquiry - it's probably the date and number of acceptance they confirm At the request of listeners
And probably will not work for examination Basner gave (well, not on the status of it , and a conflict of interest ) , and for example Ivan Ivanov ( certainly not Aranson )

What else you do not like the analogy with the case Preobrazhensky ?
Reason and we can compare any number 's investigation has no such opportunities , and desire a little , so will the beaten path, it seems to me

[Solnce]

Different things at the Transfiguration rather have Dealer Serov and Nikonov examination was before the sale of paintings and handed over to the examination a Kuteinikov , gave dealers a picture with the expertise that the picture is authentic and are sold ( or given ) the so-called victim. Condemned not an expert and gallery owner who saw the picture only with the expertise that the picture is authentic and brush Kiseleva , it seems. Generally, a long story, I will not take your time retelling - there is an order for the Transfiguration personally . http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/1569/

Here arrested Basner reason and not a publisher , in general there are differences ...
But you're right - can again put intermediaries (optional victim) , and forgers ( scammers ) will do with it.
I can hardly believe that Basner falshak knowingly sold . I think it was framed. In the field of criminal law in the sale of the chains are forgers , after stuffing falshaka on the market , the rest of the mediators used " blindly " . Well, do not come to an expert swindler and says I brought falshak ! Any " provenance " tells the nightingale sings. Experts will understand what I mean .
Vasiliev here before buying the painting even passed the examination. Why ? Why then passed ?

[Маруся]

Сообщение от Solnce

after stuffing falshaka on the market, the rest of the mediators used "blindly".
Well, do not come to an expert swindler and says I brought falshak!
Any "provenance" tells the nightingale sings.
Experts will understand what I mean.

Well fool would not understand and "expert" understand

[Алексеев]

Сообщение от K-Maler

Does anyone know what the examination carried out by this method ? Is there somewhere a unit issued and whether the examination based on the results obtained in this way ?

After the invention of the method is necessary for him to invent the machine ! ) )
In fact, according to her method , the sample pattern is burned in the spectrometer and , as in the usual technological expertise , revealed the presence of cesium and strontium . Logically thinking , there are many nuances. For example, if there isotopes over 45 years since they must be on the new and old patterns . Either they must have a new body pattern , and the old - on the surface. But then except spectrometer requires a special set-top box type electron microscope so that you can burn any layer of the sample taken , not just the top . This is a very professional work , not to mention that prior to sampling need to create map paintings restoration , not to fall into the restoration and ensure that the sample is not contaminated. Difficult work requiring extremely high qualification.

[Solnce]

Сообщение от Maroussia

agree

And the reaction of the expert community - Eligibility: who is not a mediator - that's not my fault!

Why psredniki something to blame if they did not know it was fake and forged?
Yes, in the civil courts, lawsuits can be requested (as at Sotheby's), but to put all the people - absurd!

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Solnce; 2990931"

I can hardly believe that Basner consciously falshak

Elena Veniaminovna Mr. Shumakov called and said that there is a wonderful picture of Grigorieva Leningrad good collection of old , where there are some wonderful paintings Grigorieva , and asked him whether he had a buyer for this picture. But only on condition that he did not disclose its participation in this .

Second: Elena Veniaminovna received money . And there was an interesting story. Mr. Shumakov got all quite a large sum , it happened on July 11 at 12 noon. And already somewhere in 13.00 man named Aranson, which we figure remains enigmatic figure slightly virtual ( no one has ever seen , do not know it exists or not , assume that it is) , received 180 thousand dollars. 70 thousand dollars melted on the road with the Petrograd side in the city center . There's just go, but they disappeared . During this time the money was in the hands of two people - and SHumakova Basner . There was nobody else . I learned about the participation of Ms. Basner and a half years only. I do not know in what capacity while Ms. Basner took part in it : as an expert ? No. She participated as a secret member of a certain chain .

Сообщение от Solnce; 2990931"

Why then passed ?

Because it :
1. Yuly Rybakov told him that he already Grabar " Grigorieva " took as a forgery and
2 . to Grigorieva exhibition at the Russian Museum was issued its catalog , which was reproduced thing Grigorva " restaurant . "

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Сообщение от Solnce

plant but all people - absurd!

Why do you pronounce it here?
Go to court, the investigative committee and there is talk.

[Solnce]

It is curious that Natanovu wrote fake artist from St. Petersburg:


http://mirnov.ru/rubriki-novostey/ob...hivyj-avangard

Well done Germans - find forgers.

[Eriksson]

Сообщение от Solnce

It is curious that Natanovu wrote fake artist from St. Petersburg:

Solnce, thank you for quoting me so nicely.
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[Solnce]

Сообщение от Maroussia

Well fool would not understand as an "expert" understand

Ie , all the experts are wrong intentionally ?

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Сообщение от Eriksson

Solnce, thank you for quoting me so nicely . <! - ~ 6 ~ ->

Forgive me if wrong , not out of malice . You just wanted to send about the Germans and the authorship links - certainly yours!

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Because it :
1. Yuly Rybakov told him that he already Grabar " Grigorieva " took as a forgery and
2 . to Grigorieva exhibition at the Russian Museum was issued its catalog , which was reproduced thing Grigorva " restaurant . "
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Why do you pronounce it here ? Go to court, the investigative committee and there is talk .

I am not a witness in the case and appear in court have no right .
Here on the forum and we are discussing exactly this case.
While we only see the version and wishes of the attacking side and draw conclusions according to Vasiliev.
Protection has not yet expressed .
I do not deny that someone made a fake. But why should sit Basner and not forgers ?
Why not Vassiliev passed picture even in Grabar , even in the belt , at least in the State Tretyakov Gallery before buying it? Basner would not be arrested , but he would not lose money.