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Сообщение от Eugene

The task of the trade union of artists is clear-is necessary to protect artists, but there is a theme UPRAVIS "where it will be interesting to read, but artists are heirs, collectors, galereyschiki etc. Can these problems are best discussed here? :
  
 UPRAVIS http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...92%D0%98%D0%A1

What I like our forum - to keep the discussion initially raised issues under the theme ever and no one can.
I do not like another - when the discussion is based on myths, not realities.
As a pre-perestroika activities and posleperestoechnaya forced me to educate ourselves - jurisprudence.
Unfortunately, the lack of a high school program of study course on the basics of jurisprudence led to the almost totally legal illiteracy, povlekshuyuyu for a mass of legal nihilism.
That I am not writing to show that I am supposed to know more than others. No way. Just life experience, and nothing more.
I plead for everyone to have studied, at least, the Constitution and the Civil Code. And members of our forum yet, and copyright.

Will clarify (from the standpoint of the law) are two main issues discussed:

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1. The trade union organization of artists, with its EXP.
2. UPRAVIS, with its "concern" about the legal owner.

Despite their differences, we have a direct violation of the antitrust laws.
1. EXP - a product of trade union organization (which has about 300 members, to write about Olga Ozolin) presented to us as mnopolnoy evaluating the work of artists. However, the EXP is not approved as such is not one of the regulations applicable Russian laws.
From this it follows: pursuant to the requirements of EXP is not necessary (as well as its use), legal liability for failure to comply with procedures EXP absent. Application EXP - a separate issue.
2. UPRAVIS - a non-profit non-governmental organization that has no legal grounds to impose their monopoly (to date) services (the usual "room service" such as laundry, dry cleaning) for impersonating a public body. (Just pay attention to how you speak: " would like to inform ".). However, inspired by you allegedly legitimate monopoly UPRAVIS - no more than misleading. (I'm waiting for reaction from UPRAVIS for a detailed legal argument on our forum).
What is essentially involved UPRAVIS - factoring in 15%of turnover.
If you want to cheer up his companion, a banker, then tell him about it. Prolonged laughter is guaranteed.
In one of his posts, I mistakenly wrote that the title documents were not disclosed. Mistaken. Thanks to Eugene - this time I read a link from the above quote me from cover to cover.
So, who the founders UPRAVIS?
" Non-commercial partnership" National organization of Art Experts "(NOEXI), Limited Liability Company" Art Consulting, Foundation for the preservation of cultural heritage of the artist Pyotr Konchalovsky ".
As the saying goes: "Bah, all the familiar faces." Do not have state status.
More interestingly, what is the sources of financing (Article 11 of the Constitution), allowing to enjoy, as they say, factories and steamboats?
Casket was called simply - UPRAVIS usurped the monopoly right to receive legal fees in favor of owners (15%), among zaklyuchivshihogovory, as well as to receive and the temporary use for their purposes of deductions for owners, is not concluded agreements with UPRAVIS .

Is not it, not sour.
Given the number of (Soviet, russiyskih) artists (for exp), as the dead no more than 70 years ago and surviving to this day.
Approximate order of amount in question, one is able to count on their own.

Using the terminology UPRAVIS, bring to your notice that, under current legislation of the Russian Federation, the owner may have a representative of their choice. Thus, all statements UPRAVIS the forum on their exclusive rights to receive legal fees in favor of the owners - a myth. And nothing more.
Can have any representative who you Telegram (I do not mean insane, etc.).

Perechtya theme of the forum, kindly suggested by reference to Eugene, I would like to note that I wrote almost have been written SELENE (post number 33).

When reading that topic, I noticed a lot of myths generated by the checkpoints UPRAVIS. Such as the fact that the artist is entitled to assert to the owner and rewrite now, that the owner of the painting has no rights to it, etc.
Perechtite Civil Code itself, and, hopefully, will understand that's what.
Illiterates in this forum is not usual.
The need for legal literacy is dictated by the fact that the legislation includes some aspects of civil law to the parties.
That's why I constantly buddiruyu issue of protecting the legitimate rights and interests of all participants in the art market.
Artists can and should protect the trade union. We are entrepreneurs more difficult. Nobody will take a "farm for the oligarchs," Because a lawyer's involvement, either - self-education.

I would like to see the forum participants had the wrong impression about the complete illegality of the trade union action on his or UPRAVIS EXP.
Just days such-you want to live, learn to twirl.
So they revolve over monopoly. By the same method.
Not dismantled - to eat, will understand - themselves with the mustache will.
The choice is yours.

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Сообщение от "Inquisitive

EXP - a product of trade union organization (which has about 300 members, to write about Olga Ozolin)

Where did you read that??

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Сообщение от Eugene

Where did you read that?
Here's another info ... http://home.artunion.ru/index.htm

Typo. should read " EXP - a product of trade union organization (which has roughly 3,000 members to write about Olga Ozolin

You have nothing else, the number of members profsoza not interested?
Because I post written at your request.

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Сообщение от Inquisitive

What I like our forum - to keep the discussion initially raised issues under the theme ever and no one can.

Signed by both feet.

Сообщение от Inquisitive

1. EXP - a product of trade union organization (which has about 300 members, to write about Olga Ozolin) presented to us as mnopolnoy evaluating the work of artists. However, the EXP is not approved as such is not one of the regulations applicable Russian laws.
From this it follows: pursuant to the requirements of EXP is not necessary (as well as its use), legal liability for failure to comply with procedures EXP absent. Application EXP - a separate issue.

Here I do something I do not understand. First, about any monopoly of speech is not. They advocate only for the fact that no one has stolen it is their rating, simply because it them and not my uncle. That is, they are against the fact that someone is taking their rating and says: "This is mine." And I'm not tired at that time to repeat. Any natural or legal person may make your rating and publish it wherever he wants. And to speak at all angles that his rating is the only scientific and correct. And no one dare not grant vyaknut that this occupation is allowed only to them
And if no one else does, then it means that one is simply not necessary, but that other suits.
And God forbid, can someone tell about the mandatory application EXP? To whom it may come to mind?

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Сообщение от fabosch

signature of both feet.



Here I do something I do not understand. First, about any monopoly of speech is not. They advocate only for the fact that no one has stolen it is their rating, simply because it them and not my uncle. That is, they are against the fact that someone is taking their rating and says: "This is mine." And I'm not tired at that time to repeat. Any natural or legal person may make your rating and publish it wherever he wants. And say to all the corners that eogo rating the most scientific and the only right.
And if no one else does, then it means that one is simply not necessary, but that other suits.
And God forbid, can someone tell about the mandatory application EXP? To whom it may come to mind?

In addition to direct rule of law, there is a concept (term) "Rules (custom) business turnover.
Since we have the (admittedly) the mass of its application (and fixed for sale), then this way as it sets its monopoly position. In the status of customary business practice (by agreement), its application may be a legitimate condition of contract. With natural otchineniem holder EXP.
Here the dog is buried correctly, but not quite completely. Legal trap for yur.bezgramotnyh.
I tried to get away from the details. Otherwise, each post will be in the amount of "War and Peace"

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Сообщение от "artcol

Register, log in, add.
You can add a bio, picture, place of study, teachers, a bibliography, etc.

You are about how the site email?

I'm about our speech.

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Сообщение от Inquisitive

In addition to direct rule of law, there is a concept (term) the "rules of trade."
Since we have the (admittedly) the mass of its application (and fixed for sale), then this way as it sets its monopoly position.
I tried to get away from the details. Otherwise, each post will be in the amount of "War and Peace"

As I understand it in the meat cutting, "regulations of trade" are translated into the language of their native aspens in this way: such rules are that if you do not stick to them, you will not be judged, but Poimena with you business, shook his finger at his temple and the more you and I will try cases do not have. Here I do not see such a picture. Who wants to apply the rating and refers to him who does not want - do not. Draw from this case are not affected. Suffers only the soul of Paul . And you can understand it - he does not want, and shoved it in there. Just pomyagshe necessary, pomyagshe ...

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Сообщение от fabosch

How do I know about meat cutting, "regulations of trade" are translated into the language of their native aspens in this way: such rules are that if you do not stick to them, you will not be judged, but Poimena with you business, you will turn at a temple finger, and more with you try not to have affairs. Here I do not see such a picture. Who wants to apply the rating and refers to him who does not want - do not. Draw from this case are not affected. Suffers only the soul of Paul . And you can understand it - he does not want, and shoved it in there. Just pomyagshe necessary, pomyagshe ...

Yes, no. Not exactly.
Just some may sign the contract, which in some way EXP is written in a disguised form.
With respect to Paul.
Fundamentally he was right. But because of his outburst in the expressions and personal assessments to support it - the most expensive to come out. He is able to throw mud, and his counsel.
As you see, several times I wrote about the arbitrariness of EXP ratings, not corresponding to the realities. And I'm not alone. I hope that many are grasped for themselves.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

You are about how the site email?

I'm about our speech.
 

Oppp-s, and in reference to something I have not looked

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Сообщение от Inquisitive

Yeah, no. Not exactly.
Just some may sign the contract, which in some way EXP is written in a disguised form.

So what, this will be to blame for EXP, and not the signers?

Сообщение от Inquisitive

Regarding Paul.
Fundamentally he was right. But because of his outburst in the expressions and personal assessments to support it - the most expensive to come out. He is able to throw mud, and his counsel.
As you see, several times I wrote about the arbitrariness of EXP ratings, not corresponding to the realities. And I'm not alone. I hope that many are grasped for themselves.

You really must excuse me, but we are discussing the area of involuntary assessment, in fact, can not be. In addition to the money (and then fixed in a certain place at a certain time, and in another place and time dyurugoe it has to be another) - which has already been discussed and needs no comment.
I am absolutely not going to defend the exp, I like it, frankly, not needed, but I do not understand, by and large, so that ganged up on him (except for Paul)? Well, people publish their opinions, well, scream about it at all angles, well, argue that they are the right and the rest - are fools. So what?