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Язык оригинала: Русский #11 |
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Could? Anybody visiting from Western artists, for example.
But writing exactly Louis Caravaque. His disciples could, I. Vishnyakov, for example. But the portrait of the Empress on her head must be something. Yes, and manner of writing submitted to the portrait of late, not Lane. floor. 18 th century. |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #12 |
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Вложение 61655
Вложение 61665 Вложение 61675 In my opinion, the similarity of the conditional. compare, for example eye color. |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #13 | |
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| Этот пользователь сказал Спасибо Eriksson за это полезное сообщение: | antip (16.11.2008) |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #14 |
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A maid of honor will not work
? Countess Catherine Andreyevna Chernyshev (1715-1779), née Countess Ushakova - maid of honor of the Empress Anna Ioannovna |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #15 |
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Регистрация: 29.08.2008
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She urozhdnennaya countess Ushakov, just Ushakov.
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Язык оригинала: Русский #16 |
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Views amateur, do not judge strictly, professionals: shy:.
As for Anna Ioannovna strongly doubt: the lady's eyes are dark, and AI was, according to contemporaries, blue-eyed. Yes, and features the lady is very expressive: a large nose, sharply-defined chin, and on the other portraits AI such sharp features (though all subjective). AI ascended the Russian throne, 37-years old, and the lady in the portrait is clearly younger, but she obviously more than 17 years. If we accept the fact that this AI, it turns out that the portrait is written in the period from 1710 to 1730-th, ie, when she was Duchess of Courland. Lace on clothing ladies expensive, but from the jewelry - just buckles, no earrings, no, nor even a necklace or bracelets. This is possible in principle, for the Duchess of Courland, as is known, specific forms of wealth did not have. It turns out that if it is AI, then look for the artist to the court of the Duchess of Courland. And what says the auction house about the provenance? |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #17 |
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Observations also
Observations also an amateur, do not judge strictly, professionals, amateur Alena I know that the European aukts.za a picture of a European author, you can bail out the 1.5-2m. a picture of the Russian pull many times dorozhe.Ochen often minute hitch in the direction of Russian portrayed them as such. |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #18 |
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Frankly, I think that the special is no need to dig: a portrait of an unknown work by an unknown artist, unknown when done. Indeed, as I understand it, placing the portrait of the 18 century and to the Russian school is also very conventional. The auction house, as it were attributed, as it were, who started the intrigue with AI, as we like to believe him
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Язык оригинала: Русский #19 | |
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I agree with Alain, it is clearly a portrait of a young woman. As the eyes and hair - there are different opinions. Someone wrote that his eyes were blue and some dark green, even in the same place I found that the AI - general, was ... blonde! Many agree that she was a young beautiful and very pleasant. Despite the big nose and a thick neck, which are clearly visible in Caravaque. There is mention that Peter 1, when he thought give daughters of Tsar Ivan married, commissioned a portrait of three sisters, princesses of the Romanovs a visiting Cornelis de Bruijn, and he depicted them in European dress with an open top. But de Bruijn, I think, this portrait style is not like, although I do not know, of course ... And now I vysskazhu idea for which I will probably need to pay membership on the forum ...: eek: Please consider her crazy hypothesis, or the ravings of a madman diletantki as you like. At the request "a portrait of Anna of Russia" in Yandex, among other things, get out the reference to a biography of Ivan Nikitin site "biografiya.ru. It definitely says that he wrote to the young Princess Anne and that the portrait existed. Nikitina, as is known, exiled to Tobolsk, where's when he died on the way home, the pervasive nature of his "rehabilitated" Anna Leopoldovna. Traces of a portrait of Anna could not be found anywhere. BUT!! It is in Tobolsk in the same period were sent to several thousand Swedes - is when "we have them at Poltava" ... Then, and not strange that the portrait could "float" it is in Sweden. Unless, of course, is Ivan Nikitin. And of course, if this is Anna Ivanovna. Is there such attribution, which could disprove or prove one's hand painted portrait? Or is it subjective opinions of experts? People! Do not slaughter me for that! God commanded to forgive, right? |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #20 |
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Banned
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The hypothesis is really interesting!
And like any hypothesis is the place to be! In my opinion is represented not by a Russian woman. It is quite a Swede or other inozemka. But Russian, I in it I find nothing. Although, here are two portraits by Ivan Nikitin. In oval Princes Anna Petrovna. The second portrait Praskovia Ivanovna, a niece of Peter the First. A small detail! In the portraits of women are not depicted hands. Although one of the men's "Count Golovkin" hand shows. So this way of writing hands quite different, though his hands are different: male and female. Pity can not be copied and placed on the site And. Portrait of Bukowski. The woman is clearly not the first youth. It has long been over thirty, and perhaps the beginning of 40 years |
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