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Старый 21.01.2010, 00:38 Язык оригинала: Русский       #11
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is when I'm smart and mature ye the all such matters, then I will be more confident with the walking " a while I just XPERIENCE (k) ayus nothing, invent!




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Старый 21.01.2010, 08:57 Язык оригинала: Русский       #12
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not to get a "plot" as a floor polishers in the film Danelia (I Step Through Moscow).
Or you may remember another movie:
- The owner, might be this Color?
 - VI PACHEMU without knocking login?!
 Then selects the color and himself kras!
(offended) And I am not here !.. (out) (c)

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this is where I'll be smart and adult
At the expense of age will not say anything, but what you are asking questions, here is clever.




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Старый 21.01.2010, 10:52 Язык оригинала: Русский       #13
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yes, I fully agree with you. first idea was simply to somehow draw a wall, but now the authorities started to interfere in the design of the case and try to control the process. It is important that the project was completed quickly. I ask you to make just a few of any options which are connected (such a) subject to your taste
Too bad! History is very common and extremely nasty. I think you need to arrange a tripartite meeting (the chief) and understand why you are still invited and what they expect from you. "Do something", in my opinion, means the following: advertising manager wants to absolve themselves of any responsibility, shifting it to you. Superiors, she reported that all you explained, and the artist again, it is not understood and suggests again that. So, try to make at this meeting the head you set a specific task (such as its address - this is your case). Let them know that the order interests you and you want him to do, that is your attitude to the client with respect to his request - with attention. But the version of the "few more options to your taste" - categorically rejected. (A very well-known insurance company, deciding to little to change the brand, made the designer to do 46 versions) .
And another small note: if at the stage of the thumbnail you had a flight of fancy, and good options for you to pile made progress (with subtle errors and therefore in the process, you rejected), then 100%- just choose it. Therefore Show only the "iron" options.



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Старый 21.01.2010, 13:30 Язык оригинала: Русский       #14
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Allena, you got me upset "hardly comes to talk with the boss. I can only offer to meet, it could make somehow decide. work has already paid for (they had to pay all vygolnee NG TK we have here taxes are changing every day. rather grow), they are in this regard in disadvantageous position.



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Старый 21.01.2010, 13:52 Язык оригинала: Русский       #15
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Allena, you got me upset
That's really what exactly to do here - so it upset! It's just work on it all happen, especially when working with customers "You in no fault and are doing their work. They really disadvantageous position, so if you are sure that you understand what they want from you - then go ahead. And if you do not understand, but impossible to meet with the leadership (though it is the right one) - then shake advertising manager.
You're all done on the approved drawings, right? So, they got what they wanted and what you pay for. Now the concept has changed - sometimes. And they want to have something else. In fact, this is a different order, and for him, in an amicable way, have to pay, but if you are configured to provide them with such kindness , let the advertising manager graciously distinctly and clearly convey your wishes its leadership. Maybe I misunderstood, but what is going entirely to blame advertising manager, and now she does not want to work, and pushes all of you - do not let such an opportunity. Record all her wishes - and let the signs for each! Correct Constantine and Vladimir said - to remove the vacuum cleaner? - Subscribe!, Put in a corner of the tree? - Subscribe!
And here's another: "something to your taste" - a very dangerous thing. Dangerous is it that you will make more as a thumbnail, not knowing what actually they want from you, the leadership simply tired of watching all this, the project has dragged on for a long time, and it will point into the first sketch, then frowned, looking that happened, sigh - and all of this customer in the future you can forget. All will be glad that this tyagomotina finally over.

By the way, and you are sure that advertising manager correctly conveys to you the comments of his superiors? Personal meeting would show him that you are a responsible attitude to his order and his money, and almost certainly, would very quickly remove all the misunderstandings.
Show the activity and perseverance. Everything happens.




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Старый 21.01.2010, 13:58 Язык оригинала: Русский       #16
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work has already paid for (they had to pay all vygolnee NG TK we have here taxes are changing every day. Rather grow), they are in this regard in disadvantageous position.
Clearly, and now they chase you with options.
Exit out of the situation will allow all tazhe technology, reduced me at the beginning.
You say that so hard for you ... (no matter what, it is difficult and all).
Researching old sketches + some new and go to the head (it is necessary to achieve) the type of brainstorming session all together. From this pile putting off those who more or less like, write comments on them and begin to refine the scheme. Here you can also specify that at some point this work need to pay extra.



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Старый 21.01.2010, 14:24 Язык оригинала: Русский       #17
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work has already paid
What are you worried then?
Another take the money for extra. sketches for "your pain" ...
You are in command.

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Here you can also specify that at some point this work need to pay extra.
In the in ... "More"!




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Старый 21.01.2010, 14:41 Язык оригинала: Русский       #18
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babochka, Courage! Your cause is right! As for "some new" - not sure, every sketch time required (and is unlikely to be paid). Since they have already paid, now you will be pulled from God knows what. Agree on one new sketch on the condition that all specify at the meeting, which Constantine wrote.



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Старый 21.01.2010, 16:04 Язык оригинала: Русский       #19
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Well with such a group can support me and the Pope tried to receive written !!
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And here's another: "something to your taste" - a very dangerous thing. Dangerous is it that you will make more as a thumbnail, not knowing what actually they want from you, the leadership simply tired of watching all this, the project has dragged on for a long time, and it will point into the first sketch, then frowned, looking that happened, sigh - and all of this customer in the future you can forget. All will be glad that this tyagomotina finally over.
Allena here you are to the point! the result may be "past". will prbovat use a carefully articulated scheme of Konstantin Yes. Cyril, I've also been thinking, and what I'm worried. And the forum excited "money is paid. Let the hang of what they give and fun !



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Старый 21.01.2010, 16:25 Язык оригинала: Русский       #20
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money is paid. Let the hang of what they give and fun!
... and say thank you!



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