Purchase of works by old masters - a safe investment

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A little history on "Old Masters".
Figure Florentine painter Andrea del Sarto (1486-1530), was sold for 6.5 million pounds sterling. (July 2007 Christie)
Picture of Andrea del Sarto (1486-1530), - a sketch of the head of St. Joseph to "Stories of St. Joseph, now housed in the Florentine Museum Pitti.

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We know [whether] the number of copies of the etchings of Rembrandt and replaying it in subsequent years (when, for any publication, circulation)?

It seems to me like you that no one will say. U-matrix boards Rembrandt rather complex and intricate story, after the death of the master they have repeatedly changed owners, then disappeared from sight, then reappeared. See, for example, http://rembrandt.parkwestgallery.com...s/history.html

But there is another point that complicates matters. In the XIX century French engraver Amand-Durand (Amand-Durand 1861-1905) reproduced almost all of Rembrandt's etchings, and did it so skillfully and masterly, that difference can be discerned only under a stereoscope, examined it at the same time and the work of Rembrandt, and a copy of Amanda Durand. Last copied and signature of Rembrandt. True, he was on the back of the sheet and put his monogram (the circle with crossed lines), but remove it if you wish it was "easier as dirt," making this a copy of "Rembrandt". On e-bay can not uncommon to find offers of prints by Rembrandt, but the authenticity of them, to put it mildly, questionable.

Of course, a qualified expert professional can analyze the paper, watermarks, chemical paints, etc. and relatively easy to identify intravital original. But overprint XVIII or the beginning of XIX century on the old paper (as such things, too) have a much more difficult to detect - only the quality of print.

So the general circulation of engravings by Rembrandt (in-and poslezhiznennyh) to talk very difficult. But there were still heliogravire XIX - XX centuries, which did not draw to account ...

About Amanda Durand can be viewed here:
http://www.polygraphicum.de/AMAND_DU...Rembrandt.html (it is given and an engraved "Joseph telling his dreams", about which you asked).
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/rie/item/3276
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...amand-durand-2 (there also is engraved "Joseph telling his dreams").
http://www.lipf.com/html/about_amand_durand.html

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By Theme (Deep engraving on metal) http://art-con.ru/node/212
Many interesting and useful (with attribution engravings) of information.

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The topic of "Old Masters". For collectors of interesting information. (EA)
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Etchings by Rembrandt from the collection of DA Rovinsky in the Hermitage collection. The exhibition was held March 17, 2006 - June 11, 2006). It was presented 340 works of the great Dutch painter Rembrandt XVII century.

For the first time fully exhibited the largest in Russia and one of the world's most comprehensive collections of Rembrandt's etchings. This collection was transferred to the Hermitage in 1897 by a bequest DA Rovinsky and is the largest private collection of works by Rembrandt. The exhibition is devoted to 400 anniversary of the birth of Rembrandt that observed in 2006, as well as prominent art collector and art historian, a tribute to the memory of which is to preserve the integrity of its unique collection.

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The exhibition features etchings those who Rovinsky attributed to the end of XIX century as the work of Rembrandt. Printed in Leiden and Amsterdam, they are as early self-portraits and portraits of his mother in 1620-ies, and the last etching, the artist executed in 1665 - a portrait of Jan van der Linden.

Rembrandt's Artistic Heritage of about 500 paintings, 1000 drawings and nearly 300 engravings. His full name Rembrandt Harmenszoon (ie son Harmensz) van Rijn. He was born July 15, 1606 in Leiden, the second largest city of Holland.

Rembrandt the printmaker - a phenomenon that is unparalleled in the history of art: he created more than 300 self-portraits, religious compositions, portraits, landscapes, genre scenes, nudes, beggars, griffonazhey. Developed Rembrandt engraving technique was so complicated that, with rare exceptions, the attempts of his followers to repeat or use his methods only cause regret. As in painting, primarily in the etchings of Rembrandt was light. He obeyed the line engraving machines are impossible, as it turned out to repeat the experiments, many of which have long been taken for signs of carelessness or forgetfulness of the wizard. But every movement is an engraver was whet and thought. That is why the "test" prints to the boards, which his predecessors were thrown in the basket, Rembrandt brought to the level of independent works. The sequence of these prints with the author's revised estimated "states" (the number of Rembrandt reaches 12). To see them next to each other - is not so much to look "kitchen" of the artist as a way to become a witness of the artistic genius of the game.

The two main themes of Leyden etchings 1620 - early 1630's were self-portraits and beggars. Rembrandt created an unprecedented number of portraits of their own - only about 80, a third of them - into print. Self-portraits were a young artist at the same time a means of mastering the transfer of human emotion and advertising - edition of prints was a means to achieve fame on the Dutch art market, which is facing a stubborn bloom in the early XVII century.

By 1633, Rembrandt, by this time had an independent artist, performing the orders of the Hague court and having a few students, moved to Amsterdam, where he will spend the rest of his life. In his engraving 1630 there are new themes (custom portrait, nude). Dramatically changing and self-portraits. Rather small, the size of a postage stamp, Studies of human emotions, images appear far more formal nature. In these portraits is a story about the changed social status of the artist. Before the audience appears no longer an angry young man with a luxuriant head of hair, and held professional, metropolitan artist who knows his own worth. Particularly noteworthy suit, which in the early self-portraits has been given minimal attention. Rembrandt depicts himself dressed not in a fashionable dress in Amsterdam 1630-ies, and in the costume of XVI century, "citing" the portraits of his idols, the great artists of the North, Lucas van Leyden and Albrecht Durer engravings which he buys at the Amsterdam auction. Using the language of art, therefore, he boldly put himself in with some of his great predecessors, deliberately changes its signature: a monogram "RHL", meaning "Rembrandt Harmensz son of Leiden, on" Rembrandt "in 1632. Meaning changes easily "read" by contemporaries masters: it refers to the great names Leonardo, Raphael, Titian, which had no need to call in full.

1653 - 1655 years can justifiably be called the years of Rembrandt's heyday as an engraver. His main theme in these years is the history of the earthly life of Christ. Over the last three years of his career as an engraver, Rembrandt performed their own version of the Bible, in fact - "The Gospel of Rembrandt, standing along with his great predecessors and competitors, the masters of the art engraving by Albrecht Dürer, Luca Leiden and Jacques Callot. The culmination of this grand engraved analogue of the Scriptures has become engraved in the technique of dry point "Behold the man" ( "Christ before the people"), represented at the exhibition in two states.

Exhibition collection Rovinsky - a rare opportunity to see the engravings of Rembrandt's legacy almost in full. By selection of etchings and their states this collection - one of the most comprehensive in the world (it has 968 engravings by Rembrandt and his school).

This collection also says a lot about the collector. Dmitry Rovinsky (1824 - 1895) was a lawyer, one of the major figures of the judicial reform. His collection totaled some 100,000 Russian and Western prints. DA Rovinsky, starting the creation of national science on the art of writing the history of icon painting and engraving, finished the research catalog of the Russian lubok and etchings by Rembrandt.

"Atlas" Rovinsky - strict classification, in which attention is paid to the definition of "states" of each etching. But it is also a very personal view of the artist, is largely colored by mythology, has given Russian art lovers French Mythmakers. Largely thanks to DA Rovinsky, and strongly influence him VV Stasov, "Russian Rembrandt," reads their contemporaries as a forerunner of the Wanderers, an artist of social anger and protest. According to the testament of Dmitry Rovinsky, "Rembrandt" part of his collection was transferred to the Imperial Hermitage in 1897

As part of the Hermitage /UNESCO, the Government of the Netherlands in 1977 was allocated $ 75,000 for a comprehensive project to study the collection Rovinsky. The Dutch side has offered workshops to a wide use of modern technology. Research and conservation of etchings done in the Rekysmuzeume specialists of the State Hermitage Museum in collaboration with Dutch colleagues. All the etchings were photographed in its original form, in the old mat to secure the historic status of the collection. Apart from that, the soft X-rays, which allowed to identify the watermarks on the paper used by Rembrandt.

Exhibition's curator - Roman G. Grigoriev, Acting Chief, Division of Western European art prints of the State Hermitage, the candidate of art history. The exhibition illustrated scholarly catalog, authored by RG Grigoriev.
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_...hm4_1_129.html

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The topic of "Old Masters". For collectors of interesting information. (EA)
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Etchings by Rembrandt from the collection of DA Rovinsky in the Hermitage collection. The exhibition was held March 17, 2006 - June 11, 2006). It was presented 340 works of the great Dutch painter Rembrandt XVII century.

For the first time fully exhibited the largest in Russia and one of the world's most comprehensive collections of Rembrandt's etchings. This collection was transferred to the Hermitage in 1897 by a bequest DA Rovinsky and is the largest private collection of works by Rembrandt. The exhibition is devoted to 400 anniversary of the birth of Rembrandt that observed in 2006, as well as prominent art collector and art historian, a tribute to the memory of which is to preserve the integrity of its unique collection.

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The exhibition features etchings those who Rovinsky attributed to the end of XIX century as the work of Rembrandt. Printed in Leiden and Amsterdam, they are as early self-portraits and portraits of his mother in 1620-ies, and the last etching, the artist executed in 1665 - a portrait of Jan van der Linden.

Rembrandt's Artistic Heritage of about 500 paintings, 1000 drawings and nearly 300 engravings. His full name Rembrandt Harmenszoon (ie son Harmensz) van Rijn. He was born July 15, 1606 in Leiden, the second largest city of Holland.

Rembrandt the printmaker - a phenomenon that is unparalleled in the history of art: he created more than 300 self-portraits, religious compositions, portraits, landscapes, genre scenes, nudes, beggars, griffonazhey. Developed Rembrandt engraving technique was so complicated that, with rare exceptions, the attempts of his followers to repeat or use his methods only cause regret. As in painting, primarily in the etchings of Rembrandt was light. He obeyed the line engraving machines are impossible, as it turned out to repeat the experiments, many of which have long been taken for signs of carelessness or forgetfulness of the wizard. But every movement is an engraver was whet and thought. That is why the "test" prints to the boards, which his predecessors were thrown in the basket, Rembrandt brought to the level of independent works. The sequence of these prints with the author's revised estimated "states" (the number of Rembrandt reaches 12). To see them next to each other - is not so much to look "kitchen" of the artist as a way to become a witness of the artistic genius of the game.

The two main themes of Leyden etchings 1620 - early 1630's were self-portraits and beggars. Rembrandt created an unprecedented number of portraits of their own - only about 80, a third of them - into print. Self-portraits were a young artist at the same time a means of mastering the transfer of human emotion and advertising - edition of prints was a means to achieve fame on the Dutch art market, which is facing a stubborn bloom in the early XVII century.

By 1633, Rembrandt, by this time had an independent artist, performing the orders of the Hague court and having a few students, moved to Amsterdam, where he will spend the rest of his life. In his engraving 1630 there are new themes (custom portrait, nude). Dramatically changing and self-portraits. Rather small, the size of a postage stamp, Studies of human emotions, images appear far more formal nature. In these portraits is a story about the changed social status of the artist. Before the audience appears no longer an angry young man with a luxuriant head of hair, and held professional, metropolitan artist who knows his own worth. Particularly noteworthy suit, which in the early self-portraits has been given minimal attention. Rembrandt depicts himself dressed not in a fashionable dress in Amsterdam 1630-ies, and in the costume of XVI century, "citing" the portraits of his idols, the great artists of the North, Lucas van Leyden and Albrecht Durer engravings which he buys at the Amsterdam auction. Using the language of art, therefore, he boldly put himself in with some of his great predecessors, deliberately changes its signature: a monogram "RHL", meaning "Rembrandt Harmensz son of Leiden, on" Rembrandt "in 1632. Meaning changes easily "read" by contemporaries masters: it refers to the great names Leonardo, Raphael, Titian, which had no need to call in full.

1653 - 1655 years can justifiably be called the years of Rembrandt's heyday as an engraver. His main theme in these years is the history of the earthly life of Christ. Over the last three years of his career as an engraver, Rembrandt performed their own version of the Bible, in fact - "The Gospel of Rembrandt, standing along with his great predecessors and competitors, the masters of the art engraving by Albrecht Dürer, Luca Leiden and Jacques Callot. The culmination of this grand engraved analogue of the Scriptures has become engraved in the technique of dry point "Behold the man" ( "Christ before the people"), represented at the exhibition in two states.

Exhibition collection Rovinsky - a rare opportunity to see the engravings of Rembrandt's legacy almost in full. By selection of etchings and their states this collection - one of the most comprehensive in the world (it has 968 engravings by Rembrandt and his school).

This collection also says a lot about the collector. Dmitry Rovinsky (1824 - 1895) was a lawyer, one of the major figures of the judicial reform. His collection totaled some 100,000 Russian and Western prints. DA Rovinsky, starting the creation of national science on the art of writing the history of icon painting and engraving, finished the research catalog of the Russian lubok and etchings by Rembrandt.

"Atlas" Rovinsky - strict classification, in which attention is paid to the definition of "states" of each etching. But it is also a very personal view of the artist, is largely colored by mythology, has given Russian art lovers French Mythmakers. Largely thanks to DA Rovinsky, and strongly influence him VV Stasov, "Russian Rembrandt," reads their contemporaries as a forerunner of the Wanderers, an artist of social anger and protest. According to the testament of Dmitry Rovinsky, "Rembrandt" part of his collection was transferred to the Imperial Hermitage in 1897

As part of the Hermitage /UNESCO, the Government of the Netherlands in 1977 was allocated $ 75,000 for a comprehensive project to study the collection Rovinsky. The Dutch side has offered workshops to a wide use of modern technology. Research and conservation of etchings done in the Rekysmuzeume specialists of the State Hermitage Museum in collaboration with Dutch colleagues. All the etchings were photographed in its original form, in the old mat to secure the historic status of the collection. Apart from that, the soft X-rays, which allowed to identify the watermarks on the paper used by Rembrandt.

Exhibition's curator - Roman G. Grigoriev, Acting Chief, Division of Western European art prints of the State Hermitage, the candidate of art history. The exhibition illustrated scholarly catalog, authored by RG Grigoriev.
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_...hm4_1_129.html

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interest in the theme of the old masters, already out on the forum with discussion and example.
Eugene, and you personally think that this topic?
Purchase of works by old masters - a safe investment??

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purchase of works by old masters - a safe investment??

It is not even discussed, the most reliable .. of course requires a lot of knowledge, time and above all must be very enthusiastic about this topic.
In Russia, for me, an example is a collector of old paintings Michael Perchenko (gallery owner "Old Master")
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You also very interesting to read, write, as the case in Germany .. Interesting links on this topic, articles etc. This topic is of interest to many collectors in Russia .. and there is little information, including Your information will be any useful.
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Best regards.

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This furor has made the painting of a girl in an unusual head-dress, created by Dutch artist van Everdingenom Boethius Cesar (Cesar Boëtius van Everdingen). She went for a record 1.16 million pounds in the assessment of 50-70 thousand.

"The picture first appeared at the auction, [Van Everdingen] - a very unusual artist whose work has recently acquired the Royal Art Gallery in Holland, and a hat with a wonderful girl," - explains the success of paintings of New York dealer Henry Zimet (Henry Zimet).
http://artinvestment.ru/invest/analy..._sothebys.html
CAESAR Boethius Van Everdingen
Girl with a basket of plums. Oil on canvas. 92,2 x 81,7
Sotheby's. 09.12.09. Lot № 18
Estimate: 50-70 thousand pounds
Result: 1.16 million pounds

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Just an interesting story about "old masters." (EA)
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In England, for a knockdown price went up for auction paintings by great masters of the Renaissance, Titian. At first she asked for no more than a thousand dollars, but the resulting price increased 400 times. The real cost of a picture may be 10 million dollars, writes the British newspaper The Guardian.

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in the auction catalog Harborough lot at number 403 was listed as a painting by an unknown master of the European School of XVIII century. The painting shows a bearded man in a black dress, whose head is tilted to the right. The artist was able to convey some alienation, but a penetrating glance character.
The initial price of the lot does not exceed a thousand dollars, but as soon as the picture on Tuesday was put up for sale, everything changed. "The atmosphere in the room became very tense - bid followed one after another", - said the auctioneer, Mark Dzhilding. The final offer of purchase of nearly 400 thousand dollars.
But even this price, increased 400 times compared to the start, hardly reflects the real value of the painting. British art historians believe that the picture may be owned by Titian, and written between 1510 and 1520 in Venice. In this case, it can be assessed and $ 10 million.
The names of both vendor and purchaser is not known. View the veil of mystery has not yet even informed and experienced participants in such auctions.
The experts suggest that the most likely buyer was a young man and intelligent, who spent to buy all of their cash. And the seller was a kind woman who had acquired this painting in 1974 in Leicestershire.
Art historian Simon Dickinson believes that the film really could have been written by the great Italian master of the Renaissance. "It looks like early Titian ... technique early Titian, the way pictures of clothes and face," - says the expert. According to him, "the ear is drawn awkwardly, as if it had been repainted, but the overall picture is impressive.
In the auction community believe that someone provernul artful deal and now painting again leave the field of view. Subsequently, the new owner, establishing its identity by Titian, once again exposes the masterpiece for sale, but for very different prices, experts say.
To the perplexed question, how could this happen, that the picture of the great master was offered for sale at a knockdown price, Dzhilding only a helpless gesture. "We felt that this XVIII century. Obviously, a couple of people thought otherwise," - he concluded.

It remains to add that the woman and the former owner of the paintings, all 33 years from the date of acquisition to the date of sale, remained in the dark about her alleged fabulous value. As noted in the auction house, the owner satisfied with the results of trades. Will it change her mind after her picture will appear in the auction with a seven-digit price, it is not clear.
(18 July 2007)

[Valerit]

Сообщение от Eugene; 776941"

No one doubts that the purchase of works by old masters - a safe investment in times of crisis. This market is mature, stable, time-tested. Moreover, even though it seems obvious we should not forget that unlike the contemporary art creation of new works in this sector is no longer possible, the majority of works are known and cataloged. Of course, from time to time make new discoveries, which cause a sensation among professionals and amateurs ..."

Good afternoon. Unfortunately, I only today discovered this thread on the forum.
I have "newbie", so just give my opinion.
If falshaka made by contemporaries of the author, it is even difficult to determine the 100%attribution. Canvas, stretcher, nails, the frame will not be in doubt.
Good scope for artisans create falshaka ...
One must have a fair knowledge to make serious investments in paintings by old masters.
The case of my life.
When I was very young, I was offered a painting by Aivazovsky. I left a deposit and went to Moscow for attribution. Came to the well-known collector, but he was not home. Was his wife, Dr Habil. We drank tea and waited for her husband, a collector. Then she asked, on what issue we have come to him, it might be able to help? I told him about the attribution of the primary pattern.
She studied the painting at least half an hour. And could not, say something, were named different reasons: a lot of white for Aivazovsky, and anything else. Here comes her husband, a famous collector. Apologized for being late and coming to us. He only "pecked his nose and said it was fake. His opinion has been formed in 5 seconds. The wife says: "If he said, the way it is," I was only 20 years.
It was a good lesson for me, a young speculator.
Your conclusion?

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Your conclusion?

Teach mat.chast.