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[dedulya37]

Сообщение от fross

, our art as something not very creative approach to describing the directions of Russian art of XX century

And how they may be suitable to describe the painting when they do not know?
In fact, after the total collapse of the country (not talk about politics), professionals left, other "left", new non-learned.
Previously, in Moscow alone for the year was carried out at least a dozen exhibitions (maybe more - are not), and all art historians, and members of cultural institutions were able to "monitor" the development of creativity of any artist exhibited. Many art critics came to the exhibition from the museums of the country in order to "knock out" for his museum a good job. Work does not manage to hang on the wall as it acquired the Ministry to then pass in the province. And now? There is the exhibition? There retrospective? There are critics who write the thesis and therefore tracking creativity necessary to subject the artist? Sadly, gentlemen.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Gala

The idea is very good. I think such a system is, but it is good to put on your site. Then there will be any work of this period (not even close to relevant) to be called socialist realism. Art historians call. (I am from the artists )

All this in a long inete is:
    Art associations and creative unions in Russia
http://lib.ru/TXT/tworch.txt
   of art
http://www.design-artel.com.ua/what/...ar/styles.html

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Сообщение от fross

I think our art as something not very creative approach to describing the directions of Russian art of XX century. If somebody created a system similar to that described by LCR

If you have time, you mozhite themselves zapostit this forum, the basis is, photos of paintings in inete, in every direction, hundreds.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Eugene

All this in a long inete is:
    Art associations and creative unions in Russia
http://lib.ru/TXT/tworch.txt

Learn, commenting on ..

This is a useful document, in my opinion, it must necessarily pomestmit in the plot with important references.

But the fact is that all of Russia's artistic groups listed in this list, finished its existence no later than 1932, - presumably nebezyvestnoe and repeatedly cited in the text of the CC CPSU (B) are involved in their sudden dissolution

I think Frosya said about the period after the 32-year, when there was only the Union of Artists.
Indeed, since the 50's., Membership in the CX and predetermined classification artists: non-conformists against the "official" artists.
However hudozhestveennom terms of the notion of "member of the SC" absolutely does not mean anything if it brings together such diverse artists as Favorskogo with Stozharov or Elkonin from Žilina.

Indeed, it would be interesting to understand the variety of artists, which will include the circumstances in it.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от LCR

non-conformists against the "official" artists.

In the section: the direction of Russian art, mostly non-conformists and discuss ..

[fross]

Сообщение от Eugene

If you have time, you mozhite themselves zapostit this forum, the basis is, photos of paintings in inete, in every direction, hundreds.

If this were a purely technical problem, then I would have probably passed. But the highlight of the huge mass of authors and works of the Soviet period, the direction (and I'm sure they were, albeit non-public), choose one in each direction of the brightest representatives and illustrate the most characteristic works - a challenge to art historians.
And nonconformists represent one direction it seems to me is not true, it is a very narrow perception.

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Сообщение от dedulya37

There are critics who write the thesis and therefore tracking creativity necessary to subject the artist? Sadly, ladies and gentlemen.

Theses probably write something, where do without them This is a very specific kind of creativity the Soviet era is alive today. Create a list of all directions as the thesis is doomed to failure - too many disputes would have caused. But if someone still dared to create such a directory, the name itself would be made accurately.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от fross

nonconformists represent one direction it seems to me is not true, it is a very narrow perception.

Write here: Russian iskussstvo, what you personally care about the direction, the artists ... all will be interesting to read.

[Мунк]

Сообщение от dedulya37

And as they may be suitable to describe the painting when they do not know?
In fact, after the total collapse of the country (not talk about politics), professionals left, other "left", new non-learned
Previously, in Moscow alone for the year was carried out at least a dozen exhibitions (maybe more - are not), and all art historians, and members of cultural institutions were able to "monitor" the development of creativity of any artist exhibited. And now? There is the exhibition? There retrospective? There are critics who write the thesis and therefore tracking creativity necessary to subject the artist? Sadly, ladies and gentlemen.

Sorry, that was late with his commentary. In a retrospective exhibitions, seemingly now in Moscow there is no shortage. In the State Tretyakov Gallery in the Crimean, in Tolmachevskom in Arts Prechistenke something constantly shows. I do not know how it was before, but now, too bad. You are right about the lack of studying the work of artists of the Soviet period, and theses statistics confirms.

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is now protected in most of the ancient Russian art, 19 century, the art of the Silver Age, but stay away from the Soviet period. (I looked speetsialno sites of all places where protected by art historians). I do not think that the reason only in the lack of interest again upon learning art: realistic art many people love. This is the notorious "historic wine" of society. Fross correctly said that the defense may simply not give, and if the defense will, it is not approved. Sorry, for what squander 3-5 years of life and a lot of nerves! The fact is that critics of the Soviet period (mainly hereditary) is still alive and strong, and the leaders and opponents of the thesis may be only them. They themselves, their mothers and fathers served the regime, wrote the dissertation on the totalitarian theme of "The image of the leader as kvintessentsiya nation" (something like that). Do they allow that someone of his thesis will show that they have something "nedoissledovali" or even misinformed descendants. While defending the thesis of art is not needed analysis and study of what really happened in the art (the same severe style, or different flow of non-conformism), and fitting for the way art should be in the country of victorious socialism, ie confirmation of the myth. In fact, art criticism was a "pseudoscience." Normal people soon it was not interested and a desire to explore something missing. That's where the swamp has gone in the domestic art criticism. (And I am always tempted to ask about the LSR 70's - did not arise whether she had then the desire to write a thesis after the art-department of Moscow State University?) Even though about it all now aware of the swamp, but do not speak aloud. It is considered bad manners to talk about it - too many can hurt, including the memory of the ancestors of many. As said Alexander Morozov (a large art of the Soviet period), while independent judgments and impartial evaluations of social realism has not yet come. While Morozov and Chegodaeva can still afford a critical evaluation, but they have - the authority, which is not a brand-new. Here in the book "The Art of the XX century" all known E. Tar - the art of post-Soviet time - Socialist Realism is given to violence 5 leaflets. What can we say about the subsequent younger generation.
In my institute had two teachers (both professors) on the 20 th century Russian art. One - a hereditary (his father was an art-functionary), and the other - not hereditary. They tolerate each other could not, because that is the second positiveness stated that the period of Stalinist social realism in general, caused damage to the development of Russian art (that hurt more than helped his development), as first claimed that it is not so to speak - he was the author of biographies Deineki and other realists of the Soviet period. And everywhere studiously avoids negative. My friend wrote this first degree. He advised her to book her father, so she was horrified - as is now possible to use in scientific work! In general all is very difficult in the art-science. There are still many old-powerful finger in the pie. Perhaps that is why recent critics in the art more than academics. Critics are not afraid to call things by their names - they actually have nothing to lose: theses do not defend, and newspaper texts, and must be radical - the stronger you say, the better!
And old people write in about all of those artists-realists, who criticized their fathers. Do not have time to track: in publishing the "White City" always come with new biography. That is not to say that nothing is done ...

Сообщение от LCR

However, in hudozhestveennom terms of the notion of "member of the SC" absolutely does not mean anything if it brings together such diverse artists as Favorskogo with Stozharov or Elkonin from Žilina.

Indeed, it would be interesting to understand the variety of artists, which will include the circumstances of it.

Yes it is very interesting! Maybe a mini-version of the overview, does not claim to ultimate truth, but "for his" I have something to jot down.

Сообщение от fross

Theses probably write something, where do without them This is a very specific kind of creativity the Soviet era is alive today. Create a list of all directions as the thesis is doomed to failure - too many disputes would have caused. But if someone still dared to create such a directory, the name itself would be made accurately.

Yes, without them nothing is achieved - to teach not take to the funds and archives stored in museums are not allowed. About the catalog - a book in three volumes Manin B. 2007-08 years edition of Russian art of XX century ". Perhaps this is such a directory.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Munch, 46835

published by "White City" always come with new biography. That is not to say that nothing is done ...

You're right.
http://www.zhuk-book.ru/good.php?link=catalog:90:5798

[Vladimir]

Samvel, Gribkov, Colley, etc. - is belyutintsy? Incidentally, I read that after Khrushchev's dispersal future "unofficial" artists to work and never returned. True?

[LCR]

Сообщение от Munch

And I was always tempted to ask about the LSR 70's - did not arise whether she had then the desire to write a thesis after the end of art-department of Moscow State University?

No, honest, such a wish I had

But Soviet art have taught us a very, very decent people: architecture - Kirillov (which writes Misha Chernyshev), and painting - Myuda Yablonskaya, wonderful act of women, which drove us to artists' studios and we were very fond of.

The Marxist-Leninist aesthetics, I was reading Stephen Ludwigovich Matsa, Hungarian Communist-immigrant - I do not know how old he was, but in 1919 he managed to participate in some sort of uprising - was much less interesting. But he was an old man in general, harmless.
The chair was all wonderful, with Viktor Nikitich Lazarev we lived like a god in his bosom. That faculty - it was quite another matter.