Aivazovsky?

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Сообщение от Nikolai Levenko ; 2919121"

Incidentally, Aivazovsky more than anyone else not lucky with colored cards

That's right.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2918891"

" SVEZHAK " undergo chemical and technological expertise will not be easy .

Not easy, but possible if the price is good . And the price is good if it is a good provenance and the halo effect . Then we can and spend the necessary materials , such as , for example , oven, halogen and pigments. Guess who does it seriously all this technology and materials have known . And do this job professionally without relying on bad cards.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2919141"

And if there is no such stamp , but there is the output ?

Cards - this is a separate issue. There as well as in painting there are originals and forgeries. Where was released , what city stamp worth , if passed in an envelope , then without a stamp , and mail costs less because of it , where, how, to whom, and so on. Let's leave the collectors cards. Here we discuss the bad image that supposedly provenance . My opinion - it's very hlibko and that it and the picture was taken .

[Николай Левенко]

Сообщение от Artem ; 2919171"

My opinion - it's very hlibko and that it and the picture was made .

Сообщение от Artem ; 2919151"

And do this job professionally without relying on bad cards.

Artem , you contradict yourself by saying that some experts professionally produced copies without relying on bad cards, and here uverzhdaete that discussed above picture , in your opinion , made ​​it on a postcard.

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2919171"

Where was released , what city stamp worth , if passed in an envelope , then without a stamp , and mail costs less because of it , where, how, to whom, and so on .

Wait, so you by the word " die " mean stamp mail? Card has passed through the mail from her marks ?

Сообщение от Artem ; 2919171"

cards - this is a separate issue.

Сообщение от Artem ; 2919171"

Let's leave collectors cards .

Russian pre-revolutionary painting postcards - great support material for attribution, and often in the post- only .
By painting postcards resort experts , collectors , dealers, at the forum often laid their scans .
However, you can about them and not say , really.

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Сообщение от Nikolai Levenko ; 2919191"

Artem , you contradict yourself by saying that some experts professionally produced copies without relying on bad cards, and here uverzhdaete that discussed above picture , in your opinion , made ​​it on a postcard .

Where do you see the contradiction ? On a postcard, because did not professional.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2919231"

pre-revolutionary Russian postcard with painting - great support material for attribution

Yes , postcards, but these pictures that I brought in examples. I gave an example in the post card and 4 Aivazovsky painting which judge will adopt such a card? Or you can put the question another way - the picture may be because we have a postcard . But this does not mean that the card should be repeated in nulevku picture.
Say even easier. On these cards are very primitive image , Aivazovsky much harder to paint people portrayed primitive out . Once again the difference in the card and painting show ? Can be other examples.

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Сообщение от Artem

what the expert will adopt a postcard?

Any if the image is a single image on a postcard picture.

[Pecheneg]

Сообщение от Artem ; 2919261 "

what the expert will adopt such a card? Or you can put the question another way - the picture may be because we have card

Yes no expert would not take a card for weapons ... The only thing is that , from what can be repelled from the image based on a postcard that - yes , there was a pattern or there , but not compile , and it remains to study it live and spend sootvetstvuyuschyue examination.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2919321"

Any

Сообщение от Pecheneg; 2919341"

Yes no

Nicholas Levenko something you zablukali in contradictions .

Сообщение от Pecheneg; 2919341 ."

The only thing is that , from what can be repelled from the image based on a postcard that - yes , there was a pattern or there , but not compile , and it remains to study it live and conduct examination sootvetstvuyuschyue .

That's what I meant. For me, this picture is not a priori IKAyvazovsky ! Not his hand . Its not foam, not his wave . Then just put the card and away we go. If people made ​​these two pictures with one hand , what else can I say .

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Conclusions about the need-to give attribution in the belt, then in Grabar, the rest is all demagoguery.

[Николай Левенко]

Сообщение от Artem ; 2919381"

what else can I say .

And not say anything wrong. You expressed your opinion . A typographic card exactly replicates the original ( except for color ) certainly can not conform in detail with a card drawn is not professional. And he is always different Aivazovsky as sea state , which he writes . And Mr. rights - have all this demagoguery .

[Kaffsky]

Сообщение от uriart

Oil on canvas - 64h98 cm

Write that is attributed as Aivazovsky.

What do gameday in this regard?

uriart, give a link, please at it, who and where writes, and what comments ...
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