The issue of expensive art prints

[Alex_SG]

Сообщение от iside

Gentlemen, I think the point is that someone took a good quality picture from the internet and type in something called offset lithography and wants to sell for ten thousand green. Such things happen or not?
I understand that the question is not professional, but I do not work with mass production, so the subject quite new to me <! - ~ 3 ~ ->

My opinion is that litograph offset this is offset printing. I can only share my experience in relation to the offset printing, and you have to decide for themselves.
In 2005, approximately, the need to print about 30 A4 forms a complex with a subtle pattern of high quality. After consulting with a specialist, it became clear that it can be implemented only by offset printing, but the problem was that the minimum that could make my friend (deputy director) is 500 copies offset, or to make 30 copies for 500 (approximately 400 ue). The message is clear, the more copies, the more economically expedient to offset printing.
Here are a couple of links to a comprehensive information technology offset printing, we can say this: in the beginning was a lithograph ... <! - ~ 1 ~ -> first opened in pdf.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от K-Maler; 2569261 "

It's about lithography ( image printed with a pattern on a lithographic stone ) , it is considered to Draw graphics and original, and

I'm doing it again : this is the original, if Roy himself painted on lithographic stone and when it printed a few copies (which relies numbered and signed ) .
Everything else (offset , etc.) is an industrial circulation , as it would be difficult not carried out .

[Hollandup]

Сообщение от K-Maler

I'm at it again : this is the original, if Roy himself painted on the lithographic stone, and when it printed a few copies (which relies numbered and signed ) .
Everything else (offset , etc.) is an industrial circulation , as it would be difficult not carried out .

and numbered copies of the more valuable the less this series . there is always a 2 digit numbering (instance \\\\ lot ) sometimes the artist signs a whole lot of original signature or making a stroke * in each instance , and then the price is high ...
and industrial circulation - is (relatively) cheap production .

[iside]

I re-read the topic and realized that from the very beginning I did not quite understand the problems described above, so we're not talking about that.
In general, there is a certain image - Crying Girl, 1964, which is stated as the color offset litograph Roy Lichtenstein, series of 100 works and asked for her $ 10,000. I was asked to find out whether this is a normal price for the job (not that expensive if). That is, first question was not about what it falshak.

I glanced quickly prices of artist and see so many similar weeping girls in the same manner of execution were sold more expensive - and draw the conclusion that, yes, the normal price.
But then I decide among all the crying girls find exactly the image that was sent to me and find out exactly selling price. And here we find the following: picture, which I posted on the internet where there are many, and here's auction with just such an image is not present.
Here I am writing on the forum, and continue to look any further.
I find the site of the fund Liechtenstein, there is reference to the catalog raisonné. There I find the picture, but it is listed as the enamel on steel (one-off), and any information about the lithographs on it is not.
Then I start looking for information on counterfeit lithographs (and they all TUI Hoochi masthead artists) and I understand that this is most likely it is.

Сообщение от K-Maler; 2570231"

I'm at it again: this is the original, if Roy himself painted on the lithographic stone, and when it printed a few copies (which relies numbered and signed).
Everything else (offset, etc.) is an industrial circulation, as it would be difficult not carried out.

K-Maler, I do not know what to say, I feel I need to urgently fill the gap. He has thousands of lithographs, etc., etc. hundreds of pictures - after all, I looked yesterday, I would have except for the auction with good provenance and would not risk buying his work. <! - ~ 2 ~ ->

[iside]

Here's what I found.
 
It turns out there are a number of international conventions, the provisions of which determine the lottery drawing as a work of art. Unfortunately, Russian materials, not even mentioning or just not lucky enough to find.

1 - 1960 - Vienna Convention, adopted at the 3rd Congress of Fine Arts
(The Third International Congress of Plastic Arts)

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"Proofs either in black or in color, drawn from one or several plates, conceived and executed entirely by hand by the same artist, regardless of the technique employed, with the exclusion of any and all mechanical or photomechanical processes, shall be considered original engravings, prints or lithographs. Only prints meeting such qualifications are entitled to be designated Original Prints. "

2 - 1961 - Convention of New York City by Print Council of America

3 - 1964 - Paris Convention by Comite National de la Gravare

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Chambre syndicale de l'Estampe et du Dessin
Défense de l'Estampe originale

La Chambre Syndicale de l'Estampe et du Dessin, en l'absence d'une législation destinée à protéger l'Estampe Originale, et l'utilisation de cette appellation, rappelle aux marchands d'estampes et au public, qui forme leur clientèle, que la définition de l'estampe originale ayant servi de base au texte établi par les Douanes Françaises, qui a été rédigé par le Comité National de la Gravure à l'Exposition Internationale de 1937, sous la présidence de M; Marcel Guiot et adopté par le Comité International de la Gravure sous la présidence de M. Julien Cain, est la suivante:

"Sont considérées comme gravures, estampes et lithographies originales, les épreuves tirées en noir ou en couleurs, d'une ou plusieurs planches, entièrement conçues et exécutées à la main par le même artiste, quelle que soit la technique employée, à l'exclusion de tous procédés mécaniques ou photomécaniques ".

Seules les estampes répondant à cette définition ont droit à l'appellation Estampes originales.
Or, il est offert au public, ou exposé dans les galeries ou magasins de vente, des estampes contemporaines qui présentent l'aspect d'estampes originales et qui en fait ne le sont pas.

Ces estampes, numérotées et signées par les artistes dont œuvre figure sur la feuille, ne sont parfois que des reproductions ou interprétations gravées ou lithographiées à la main par des techniciens spécialisés ou des reproductions mécaniques d'une œuvre originale (aquarelle, gouache, peinture) . Aucune mention, imprimée de façon claire et indélébile, ne distingue par conséquent ces œuvres des Estampes originalesrépondant à la définition ci-dessus.

Les marchands et revendeurs, désireux, dans un esprit de loyauté professionnelle, d'informer leur clientèle exposeront le présent texte dans leur galerie ou magasin et s'engageront, à la demande de leurs clients, à fournir toutes garanties écrites sur les estampes qu ' ils vendront en ayant pris toutes les références utiles auprès des éditeurs, artistes ou imprimeurs.

4 - 1994 - The Milan Declaration on original prints

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This Declaration was drawn up in consideration of the positions adopted by the Comité National de la Gravure in Paris in 1937, by the III International Congress of Plastic Arts held in Vienna in 1960, by the Print Council of America in New York in 1961 and by the Comité National de la Gravure in Paris in 1964.
In each European language, the term "original" has come to have a dual meaning: a) it is a synonym of '"belon-ging to the origins" (Zingarelli Dictionary of the Italian Language), of "dating back to the origins "(Devoto-Oli Dictionary) and of" existent from the firsts "(Oxford English Dictionary); b) it is a synonym of" non reproduc-tions ", in accordance with a meaning that has also taken hold in the tradition of twentieth century graphics.
In the belief that each artist is free to use any tech-nique to execute his work, this Declaration does not intend to condemn any technical procedure, nor express value judgements about them. The acknowledgement of the qualification of "original" to certain prints rather than to others does not imply any evaluation of an ethical nature, but is intended to constitute solely a definition for the pur-poses of art history.
With the use made of the attribution of "original" with the meanings specified above, the aim of this Declaration is to draw a distinction between engravings that are executed in accordance with the criteria that have been used since the origins of each technique and those that - without detriment to their status as art prints - are exe-cuted using other techniques.

The concept of originality
An engraving is considered to be an "original" when it com-
plies with the following two characteristics:
a) the printing phase gives rise to an image that deri ves from a matrix that was engraved by hand (inclu ding cases when the artist made use of a base obtained by other means), or prepared, again by hand, by the same artist , to the exclusion of all photomechanical means, for the purpose of being printed with aesthetic intent;
b) the image engraved on the matrix must comply with the linguistic syntax of engraving, in other words it must make an appropriate and intentional use of specific techniques.

By analogy, a lithograph is considered to be an "original print" if its image was printed by a matrix that was drawn or painted by hand, for the purpose of being printed with aesthetic intent.

Any print that reproduces a model obtained using photo-mechanical means or other non-manual means cannot be considered to be an "original" (nor "originating" nor an "authentic lithographs").

About the history of prints + all all all - in English

[Hollandup]

You can check the dealer art prints.


http://www.ifpda.org/content/

[Wladzislaw]

Original lithography and silkscreen by Roy Lichtenstein estimated 2.5 to 20 thousand dollars for a one (1) piece .

R. Lichtenstein prints for a directory :
Corlett M. L., Fine R. E. The Prints of Roy Lichtenstein: A Catalogue Raisonne 1948-1997. 2nd rev. 2002 .

I looked at the description of lithographs Principality of Liechtenstein in catalogs Sotheby's and Christie's, describing some of these auctions lithography as "offset lithograph in colors". So some of the lithographs were printed not with lithographic stones, and with aluminum plates.

P.S. That's the theme of " Printmaking " - http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=38175