Portrait of an old man with expert opinion

[EvgeniyMarkov]

Сообщение от lisovsky

Hello,
Please help determine how the price of a picture and, if possible, to determine who is depicted, whether it be a Chassid?
Date: 25-50 years of the 19th century, written probably in g.Smela (Ukraine)
Dimensions: 64h40sm + frame
Author: unknown, on the conclusion of expertise - from the circle (students) Venetsianov.
There is a conclusion of the National Research and Restoration Center (Kiev, Ukraine).

Read the conclusion of the National Research and Restoration Center.

The first four pages, you can not even comment on it.
Not a distinct argument in favor of the student Venetsianov, and here and the city of Cherkasy region Smela?

from Wikipedia:
In 1819 he settled in the village Venetsianov Safonkovo ​​in the Tver province, devoting his efforts developing a "peasant" genre. It also established his own art school, which trained more than 70 people ...

National Research and Restoration Center in Kiev (on the street. Tereshchenko, House 9b, telephone (044) 234-51-21) is known for its skilled chemists who have experience in determining the time of creation of paintings from the time of the Union.

On the last page with the signature written Raspopin of pigments of the paint layer. Among them beritovye white and white lead mixed with silver.
This is evidenced by the creation of pictures later, in 1830 (after the appearance of white beritovyh) and not before the last third of the 19th century, as white lead mixed with silver (mestorazhdeniya lead and silver are often found side by side, and there is always a big mutual admixture of metals) have disappeared from the production, were replaced by other types of lead-bleached and titanium white.
That is, I realized that a picture says Raspopin written 1830-1866 years.

P.S. If you made a mistake, I hope, correct me chemists.

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[QUOTE="redbor; 2138411 ']Yes, easy to distinguish.
Zulu-black, and always in a Hasid cap.

If black and wearing a hat - hence the Zulu Hasid.[/QUOTE]


Hooray, now I am too - an expert in Zulus!
Where can I get a witness?

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Сообщение от EvgeniyMarkov; 2138461"

On the last page with the signature written Raspopin of pigments of the paint layer . Among them beritovye white and white lead mixed with silver.
This is evidenced by the creation of pictures later, in 1830 ( after the appearance of white beritovyh ) and not before the last third of the 19th century , as white lead mixed with silver ( mestorazhdeniya lead and silver are often found side by side, and there is always a big mutual admixture of metals) have disappeared from the production, were replaced by other types of lead- bleached and titanium white.
That is, I realized that a picture says Raspopin written 1830-1866 years.

P.S. If you made ​​a mistake , I hope, correct me chemists .

I'm not a chemist (I - Expert Zulus ), but I would venture to correct. Whitewash - barite .

[lisovsky]

Сообщение от EvgeniyMarkov

and here the city of Cherkasy region Smela ?

Feel free to mention about , again, the same as the previous owner , why - is to find out, in mind you can not take , but some students still Venetsianov lived and were born in the Ukraine -
in 1835 for domestic reasons Krendovsky leave St. Petersburg and sent home in Kremenchug (Ukraine )

And most were portraitists with a similar technique as in this picture.

[тандем]

Сообщение от lisovsky; 2138571"

Feel free to mention about , again, the same as the previous owner , why - is to find out, in mind you can not take , but some students still Venetsianov lived and were born in the Ukraine - Krendovsky , _Evgraf_Fedorovich
In 1835, for domestic reasons Krendovsky leave St. Petersburg and sent home in Kremenchug ( Ukraine)

And most were portraitists with a similar technique as in this picture.

The Above as well as expert opinion , there is the attraction for the desired ears to the existing portrait , written by an unknown artist.

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Сообщение от lisovsky

in mind you can not take

Yes, all the arguments of the seller are not very interesting - you never know what he could tell a story, offering, touting their wares.

prices he was paying I'm not small,

Do not bargain, do not be stingy ...

[uriart]

lisovsky, when my hand gets to work with signed T.Bychko conclusion , I do not even consider the job.
In T.Bychko your personal approach to expert conclusions.
When asked my friend why she signed at the conclusion of known authorship with the wrong (read: fake ), it is clear and simply responded to him. Say you want to eat , and I also .
That's the whole logic of this " expert" .
Train ?

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Сообщение от uriart

When asked my friend why she signed at the conclusion of known authorship with the wrong (read: fake), it is clear and simply responded to him.
Say you want to eat, and I also.

Enough, Yeah do not slander it?

[redbor]

But I doubt it. Then two years ago ( the theme can be found ) put Clover , frankly left, T.A.Bychko expert - the author found - Yu.Klever older.
Discuss the topic , no one believes all doubt .
I sent mail to the Center , " I want to buy , you can confirm your act? "
 Bloodless writes - ", call tel. Bychko ",
call : - " I want to buy , like clover , are you sure ."
TA - is responsible , such as well, probably not, but then he could , theoretically, is paint .. so soon to deny it is not necessary .. but in general it is not he
but it may be a student or a student apprentice ...
That is , T.A.Bychko done - made ​​it clear to the buyer that he will get when purchasing . Did not insist on its previous attribution of the <! - ~ 1 ~ -> <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[uriart]

redbor, A good tactic!

First confirmed fufletso, and then recommend not to buy it.

Another eminent expert Kyiv does exactly the same!

Says the buyer, say I wrote a conclusion, but to buy the work you do not recommend it.

I will not name names.

Kyiv residents themselves know it.

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Сообщение от dabbler

Totally, Yeah do not slander it?

Unfortunately, not slander.

[redbor]

Сообщение от uriart; 2140091"

redbor, good tactic !
First confirmed fufletso , and then recommend not to buy it .
Another eminent expert Kyiv does exactly the same !

And not only he ...
And everyone is happy - the owner -seller has the right conclusion, he , the buyer , on the recommendation of the expert saves his money.
Essno and an expert is something earned. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
And do not give it its dubious conclusion - and there would be three happy people.
 Dialectic .