Painting or gold, the online experiment

[mihailovoh]

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Not very well (Throne).
Then compare the forefront of the rising cost of the century.

Private Rouble 1912 1913 or 300 years, ideally, is a maximum of 6.4 mp now.

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

impression,
Not very well ( Throne ). Then compare the forefront of the rising cost of the century.
Private Rouble 1912 1913 or 300 years , ideally , is now a maximum of 6.4 mp .

What's the point compared to the ordinary position of a circulation of 1.5 million ,
collector's edition of the growth of a 10-fold less than obtained
50000000000 * 10 * 10 * 1000 * 3 ( Collector growth) , we obtain the result:
15 000 000 000 000 000 (15 quadrillion ) times , or 1 500 000 000 000 000 000 ( 1.5kvintillionov )%
Of course this figure seems flawed in comparison to what it was <! - ~ 1 ~ - >
But this implies only that the long term is better to give preference to a few positions
and not investment coins with millions of copies.
PS; the vanguard of the more interesting at times been able to guess that's just not many <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
if you describe in the vanguard of the figures I think will be very interesting.
The purpose of themes is not to humiliate or to elevate a particular collectible ,
and try to look ahead ,
say so to guess the trend <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

[Fed]

Exactly one hundred years, prices for Russian artists can be traced from the topic of "Odessa before the storm» http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=107411

"Classic" from the province, "Academician Aleksandr Popov, a brilliant course of the last of the Academy, eagerly bought up the" average audience ", he appreciated the good pictures" is not expensive, tens of rubles. "
If we assume that his painting was worth 100 rubles., And now-Makimalno $ 50,000. That is, in terms of your "meat equivalent" - was 13 times more expensive.

On the basis of, 'International Exhibition 1909 - 1911 years old, "salons" B. Izdebsky, we can roughly calculate the cost as:
"The avant-gardists" from the Capitals for a Day ", 18 paintings were sold for 4500 rubles." - Who do not know, but part Burliuk, Kandinsky, Malevich ... That is, about 250 p. for the picture. Rose to 500 - 1000 times.

In the same subject shows that a huge number of famous artists of the time simply dissolved with their works. The vast amount.

Conclusions about:
1.Luchshe buy coins, at least not lose;
If itching to do and want to risk:
Two. It is better to buy a home to get famous foreign artists.
Three. Do not buy the artists from the province.
4.Pokupat artists from the capital, and preferably, some members of the association (with one burst open, extended, etc.).

[gran]

Сообщение от impression

I think the segment in the next 100 years we are not available to you, on this, I propose to consider for example the segment 100 years before that.
For example, consider a commemorative coin in 1912, "Monument to Alexander the third," in common "Tron," the weight of 20 grams, 900 test, circulation 5000 pieces, the price of the coin as a "proof" and the excellent preservation at the moment about 500 thousand rubles.
At that time, the ruble could buy four pounds of meat or a set of bed linen, or anything else from this list: http://petite-louve.livejournal.com/23401.html, that basically corresponds to the price of similar coins (circulation, quality, metal) of modern coinage, which costs 1,700 rubles, that is, the rise in 100 years was approximately 30 times or 3,000%of the food or a metal basket.
Quite a different picture is drawn if we take the paper ruble at that time, from 1912 to 2012 in Russia was six monetary reforms, some of whom wore a confiscatory

If you do not take into account the forfeiture, and only count the zeros of circumcision;
Reform of 22-24 years in the denomination of 50 billion (50 billion times)
The reform of 1947 the denomination of 10.
The reform of 1961 the denomination of 10.
91 and '93 two confiscatory reforms.
1998 denomination in 1000.
50 billion * 10 * 10 * 1000 * 30 (collector's growth), we obtain the result:
150 000 000 000 000 000 (150 quadrillion) times, or 15 000 000 000 000 000 000 (15kvintillionov)%
The picture drawn is fantastic, but against the numbers are not going to object.
Your great-grandfather, in 1912, refusing to 4 pounds of meat, or buy 7 bottles of lemonade, you would have left a legacy of the coin cost 500,000 rubles or the cost of an average car.
Just keep in mind that such a coin as opposed to houses and other dimensional objects can be put in a pocket or buried in the ground, thus avoiding forfeitures are conducted several times the new government, plus the tool investment is not affected by time.

So it is so ....
But this still apply nodo life experience, common sense and what is not what the culture.
And it's not prikupish ...

[fross]

Investment in gold is a metal , rather than in rare coins made ​​from it that are already falls into the category of antiques , and hence the material is no longer paramount , because then someone advised in this thread and copper coins .
So, it is easy to look for gold investment result in the same site of the Savings Bank - income for the year for gold in the account amounted to little more than 8 %, or less than inflation. But here's a short-term speculation could give a 30%interest in a few months. Now the situation could happen again and again for the winter gold can give a few tens of percent.

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Сообщение от fross

By investing in gold is a metal, rather than in rare coins made from it that are already falls into the category of antiques, and hence the material is no longer paramount, because then someone in this thread and advise copper coins.
So, it is easy to look for gold investment result in the same site of the Savings Bank - income for the year for gold in the account amounted to little more than 8%, or less than inflation. But here's a short-term speculation could give a 30%interest in a few months. Now the situation could happen again and again for the winter gold can give a few tens of percent.

Your thoughts are correct, but 8%in the savings bank really gave MHI
after the investor has lost 10%margin immediately once opened an account.
Only bruises on his head a character
able to open a savings bank account.
We are actively trying to impress,
that the savings bank was established in 1841,
but no one advertises draconian Commission
and the fact that during this time he was 7 times left investors with no pants
(Ie, the section on "0" through government reforms and denominations).
Successful short-term speculation
inheritance of less than 3%of market participants <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Even the song is about this

[Antony]

Сообщение от fross

But here's a short-term speculation could give a 30%interest in a few months. Now the situation could happen again and again for the winter gold can give a few tens of percent .

Short-term speculation in the market is volatile , as we all know , the lottery of clean water ( if there is no reliable insider information ). And so in the current situation , and with metals - a real "Russian roulette" . Earned 30%of course there is, but it's like in the books of N. Taleb - the failed just did not get to sample.

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Let's interim results , for 3 months .
Coin " manifesto abolishing serfdom 155.5 . (Gold ) price 515 000
MVD 7.78 2 coins ( gold) at 77000,
24 coins Raikin A.I.15.55 (silver ) in 6900,
10monet "Pokrovsky Cathedral" (31.1 1.55 Silver Gold ) in 7900,
2 most common coin in a series of winter sports sporta31.1 ( gold) at 71,500 .
Total , 515000 +164000 +165600 +79000 +142000 = 1065600-3 = 1032632 %commission
OMC 625 grams, the redemption price per gram in 1632 rubles per gram = 1,020,000
The MICEX Index 1401.27 618.64 packets per bag = 866 900
Coin George MMD of 66 coins = 14 700 970 200

• The total for 3 months;
• Commemorative coins +3.2 %
• + 2%JMS Savings Bank
• The MICEX Index -13.3 %
• George -2.65 %

Index ARTIMX please chew those who understand
since I'm not familiar with the auction commissions .

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от impression; 2076831"

try to look ahead ,
say so to guess the trend

Well, and?
Discern a trend, look ahead ?

And more:

picture of the Spanish surrealist Joan Miro's "Painting (Blue Star) " in 1927 was sold for $ 36 million
 Interestingly, the "Blue Star" was bought by a man , put a picture up for auction at Sotheby `s in 2007 for $ 16 million over five years, its price has increased almost threefold . Experts believe that the cause were the grand retrospective of Miro in different cities of Europe and the United States .

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Well, and?
Discern a trend, look ahead ?

And another :

Discern whether a trend is seen in 9 months <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Well, your example is interesting , but it is an afterthought , the minimum commission auction and get 200%in 4 years , not so much.
In hindsight coin " The History of " really rose from 300 (2009 year) to 1.05 million rubles, despite the fact that you can not buy it theoretically and practically in quantity.
350%for 3 years is much more interesting , especially when he felt in the <! - ~ 1 ~ ->