Approximate cost of restoration work in Russia?

[Santa]

Сообщение от Toinen; 1706721"

best restorers and School Restoration in Russia ,

In the West appreciate the restorers of Russia (meaning museum conservators , and not everyone who reckons himself to this numerically small community ).
According to the present , good restorers, very little , they're all on the enumeration .
And in any ratings on the forums nor need - for the most overworked .... >, they have no time to hang out on forums .
Restoration in Europe - is much more expensive , than in Russia ... at times.

[sportsmen]

Сообщение от Toinen

I am familiar with the technology and restoration, bringing the painting to restorer, representing the approximate amount of work. But how can I cheat here - no idea.

Although I am not an expert on restoration, but I can not understand how a man is not particularly well versed in this business can know exactly the entire scope of work, hours and all the supplies? Still, this is art, not a standard profession. Just having a breakdown in the mechanism of a clock, can only rely on the honesty of the master. And then who knows how many hours he pored over the work - 20 minutes or 20 hours?

Сообщение от Toinen

P.S. The best restorers and restoration of the school in Russia, unnecessarily in the west of arts and culture facilities are not subjected to vandalism in the scale.

This is a very controversial issue of the category of "our physicians /riot /programmers, and so on - are the best in the world." Any representative of any nation to say about his people similarly. I'm not arguing that Russia is really talented unique, but to speak for all, IMHO - heresy.

Returning to the question of the Russian school of restoration. I recently read that many Russian restorers are training in Italy, Germany, France and other European countries.

[Santa]

Сообщение от sportsmen; 1706811"

that many Russian restorers are training in Italy, Germany , France and other European countries.

It's more - the exchange of experiences , rather than training in the direct sense of the word .
Schools are different , a different campaign , different technologies.
By the way , paying by the hour - this is the " notion " of the West ..
There pay is calculated on the clock ... and the amount of restoring the picture - is large enough.
In the United States - museum conservators enough rich people.
Therefore, there exists a chain - restorers in Italy , Spain and others travel to the U.S. , and our "take " their place in Europe ..
Museum restorer of Russia , which works only on the state ( without special orders) - was doomed to a miserable existence , and death by starvation (without irony ) >

[olnev]

Сообщение от Santa

Restoration in Europe - is much more expensive , than in Russia at times ....

On the other I will not argue, it's all very subjective. Personally, I do not believe in these fairy tales about good restorers busy as I've seen enough of any (self hereditary), should not one size fits ... There are inept restorers on large sites by crew, and there are very talented but did not know how to sell yourself and communicate. All there is.
And these words about "more Europe" than you ever can prove anything?
I can name at least two major arguments against it. First, some restoration centers overfed state where the work of tenders in the picture as described by the author can be evaluated in the 250-500 thousand and even millions. Cost while still in the band that I have at the beginning of the discussion. Go to http://www.gz-spb.ru or http://www.sberbank-ast.ru (in the public domain, not all can be found, but the presentation on the market you can get). I though all have a license, without nepotism win nizya (walking, licking at these numbers: eek >, but that is the subject of another discussion. I refer to the state prices, it's not the whole market, but many just on it and live.
Second, in Russia is much lower than the world GDP and significantly inflated salaries. In other words, we have car mechanic, a programmer, restorer or decorator earn statistically more than the world average (working less time, less effective). Source Federal State Statistics Service.
In fairness, noting that the restoration of the correct order in Russia, our conservators. The question is not in price. Justification, one language, one tradition, especially with the amendment to the "Russian" understanding of how to restore, for example, icons, no barriers to movement and problems with customs. And so on. As for the mythical difference in price, here are easy to market mechanisms, when such a price difference is substantial, the market will begin to flow in a region where costs are lower. So it is, and will, no matter what to talk about potatoes, cocaine or restorations.

Сообщение от Santa

By the way, paying by the hour - this is the "notion" of the West ..
There pay is calculated on the clock ... and the amount of restoring the picture - is large enough.

What do you somehow contradicting yourself. Who invented it does not matter. But we have now and into the USSR, the cost of restoration of hours and calculated (measurement area of ​​damage is multiplied by the difficulty level and type of work hours), for example, the specification for the restoration of furniture was the last in 1984, then in 1999 and more (can not remember the year) with revisions. So we are still working on 1984, only on the coefficients. So the argument about the watch does not prove anything.

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Museum restorer of Russia, which works only on the state (without special orders) - was doomed to a miserable existence, and death by starvation (without irony) >

  > > > > > Now pay from the state to the restorer goes through several layers, each selected by about 50%. If they were not so much that the restorers went to business class on the cars, and drive their cars quite decent ... And the first layer, oh how trite - rollback officials. The second and the rest - poluchinovnichi strutktury who spend all of the general contractor to subcontract. I had an order that I got from one of Novgorod, which she passed on a subcontract SSF, which gave the FSB the subcontract. > All members of the chain including the last two have a license for restoration. There are a few restorers blankly at the salary, but it's rudimentary market sector, not describing the situation. Those who are talented or a pain in the Well - quite find a good booking and payment.
In general, I would not say that the restorers have nothing to eat. The fact that the market "due to" over-regulation (mostly mediocre licensing policy) runs through one place, it is a fact, but the restorers did not die of starvation. Well trust me to work through unpleasant, but such is the policy of the state and government. I see that the power above all bodies responsible for issues of restoration, not interested in a balanced market transparency. And it is clearly seen in politics in recent years. They did not care about salary, work quality, warranty. Although formally all the "cool": that any month with a new pump gives up a large object. Who drank there money, what quality of work - all on ^(*%$.

For reference.
Average cost of restoration of the facade on Peter - 4.5-10 million actual cost (the cost of materials and the final RFP Executive) 0.3-1.2 million According to my calculations in St. Petersburg on a facade has five levels of customers at each stage minus 50%.
Average cost of restoring the picture as the author of threads 25-60 in St. Petersburg and in Moscow, 35-80. This is a private conservator or small workshop. Moreover, if the order comes from the state the cost of outsourcing - by 1 order of magnitude higher. That is an average of nulik should be added.

[Santa]

Сообщение от olnev; 1707081"

now pay from the state to the restorer

Salary of the highest category restorer who has worked for over 20 years , one of the leading museums of Russia (Moscow ) as the beginning. sector oil painting - 15 000 rubles , a leading specialist . artist and restorer of the highest category - 12500 rubles ..
In the regions and the less ..

Сообщение от olnev; 1707081"

And these words about " more Europe " than you ever can prove anything ?

I'm not going to confirm anything to you , thank me on this ..
I will stay in its opinion , to you - not necessarily to agree with mine.
Good luck to you ... if you have not already overworked >
Seek and ye shall find .

[olnev]

Examples of such piece can find a lot . There are smaller numbers. But it does not characterize the entire market. The restorer is not the one who is listed in the facility /museum is the one who has a practice.

Sober discussion will not, sorry. Signature explains it all ... >

In fact, I really wonder how such a stereotype . Do not want you want.

[Santa]

Сообщение от olnev; 1707421"

a sober discussion will not, sorry. Signature explains it all ...

That you currently ?
Well - drink less .., what's the problem ?
Drinking restorer - poor restorer , take this .
People to reach for you no ..

Сообщение от olnev; 1707421 "

Actually, I'm really wondering

Your interest - that your problem , examine , study ..

Сообщение от olnev; 1707421"

where such a stereotype

Darling, I have not think stereotypes.
Every day I encounter the reality ..
And as an epilogue -
Take the trouble to have more discussion with the you do not engage .
No wonder ..
Good luck .

[olnev]

Santa, nothing will be offended.

[Виктория Ступина]

Much depends on who serves the customer. The human factor still has not been canceled . If the professional market participant , the price may be lower. If you go " head- in " from the street - may not be pleasant surprises , which are new , however, did not even know overpaying unspecified amount of money.

[Santa]

Сообщение от gblindmann

Restoration engage those who enjoy the process, not received money for it.

And do not you think that you can very successfully combine these two "process", ie, enjoy the work and the money received for this work.
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Сообщение от gblindmann; 1754703"

If Germany considers Europe , prices are lower for the restoration of Moscow for the following reasons :

... In the four years prior to the incident with a picture of "Actor" , a similar fate befell the work of Picasso's " Dream ", which was a picture of the artist's mistress Marie-Therese Walter . At that time the picture was in the owner's private collection of an American casino Wynn Steve , who planned to sell "The Dream " hedge fund manager Steven Cohen . However, this did not happen . Showing a picture of the guests, Wynn , who suffers from impaired vision , accidentally tripped and fell to the canvas , breaking it into 5- centimeter hole, then decided not to sell the painting . Restoration of "The Dream " has cost the billionaire in 90.000 dollars .


The restoration of this masterpiece in Russia would cost much less >