Soon the New Year! Who are Santa?

[Fed]

Сообщение от "Slava-Moscow

Is there a painting with grandparents?

赤字 圣诞老人 ....

[Peter]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And notice that the painting something with Santa Claus very little of the genre, such as what a school trees with him or kindergarten matinees.

And here's my Grandpa, he was always close to his
Snow Maiden and her granddaughter is with gifts.

[Мимопроходил]

Fed, it's Santa, or territorial variation (babbonatale and other yolupukki). If we take directly to Santa Claus, then as surely noticed Cyril Syzransky, find a picture of 50-70 years - mornings, cards, etc. Before - almost none. Fragmented and frightening image, as well as many images in our culture, where the layered Slavic, Christian, Finno-Ugric, the Tatar-Mongol, late Roman and other inclusions.
But still something to show you can. First, in my view, the image of Santa Claus articulated Bilibin. DM he already did with the "human face".
Here, posobiral Khoi-what - the whole picture is not very rosy folds agree.
1) Bilibin - Frost and stepdaughter
2) Bilibin - Frost (later killed Machekhin daughter, yes "in the bag bones," the old woman and sends, if you believe the AN Afanasyev - approx. Mine)
3) Fantalov - Chernobog (Chernobog /Karachun - one of praobrazov Santa Claus, Lord of the cold, but at the same time - the death and darkness ... By the way, soon Karachun Day - December 22 marked the day of the winter solstice)
4) Zyuzya (Belarusian variation of DM, barefoot old man with an iron mace, which causes a severe cold and snowstorms)

[Fed]

"In letters to the main Santa Claus asked the country's children as Christmas gifts, that Vladimir Putin was Russian president for a third term, said the governor of the Vologda region Vyacheslav Pozgalyov, whose territory in the Great Ustyug is the residence of Santa Claus.

The small town of Veliky Ustyug thanks to this New Year projects, in recent years been transformed from a "poor and naked city, he became one of the wealthier towns." At 15 times during this period increased turnover in the city, did not become unemployed.
"Great Ustyug - an example of how small towns from one idea may be to reveal the possibilities of the city," - says Pozgalev. "

That's how he immigrated. A Santa Claus, from Kiev. As the ancient synopsis Pozvizd was the third of the idols installed in Kiev by Prince Vladimir. He had an extensive beard, long, winged clothes, from his attire was snowing and the wind blew him instead of a cape. Surrounded by servants - eddies and storms - it was hovering in the sky, but as a gift Slavs asked him not to cause them harm.
 
So that the children asked about Putin, in keeping with the traditions of our ancestors.

[Мимопроходил]

Сообщение от Fed

That's how he immigrated. A Santa Claus, from Kiev. As the ancient synopsis Pozvizd was the third of the idols installed in Kiev by Prince Vladimir. He had an extensive beard, long, winged clothes, from his attire was snowing and the wind blew him instead of a cape. Surrounded by servants - eddies and storms - it was hovering in the sky, but as a gift Slavs asked him not to cause them harm.

Whistle - lord of the winds and storms - only one version of praobraza DM, with the most stretched, IMHO. Akromiya extensive beard (which can have up to Zeus, to lead) and a distant relation of wind and fiercest frosts, in common between these two characters, and no personal honor.

By the way, I'm here a long time it was interesting, I'll ask you, Fed, you are from Ukraine? In the Ukrainian cultural tradition of its own close to Santa Claus image that's somehow not formed, does not enlighten why? I can assume that its uselessness was linked to lack as such realities - the cold to the degree of danger of life. Because the spirit /god, which should be bribed in order to avoid damage from frost, somehow not caught on. This way or am I wrong? Or is there some characters of folklore? Just trying the former president to bring to the forefront of St. Nicholas as a very messy look. Sorry for the extensive and complex structure of matter.

[Fed]

Obviously not influenced by the temperature at Santa Claus. The average temperature in January in Moscow - 10, Kiev -6. The smallest in Kiev -33.

Although I have little interest in Ukrainian traditions, but do not understand your words "In the Ukrainian cultural tradition of its own close to Santa Claus image that's somehow not formed. You seriously think that the image of Santa Claus-conquering Russians?

As far as I know, the current festive stereotypes of Santa Claus with Christmas carols, went disguised as "ghosts" were knocking at the windows and they carried gifts. The most terrible of carols called Grandfather.

I really believe in Father Christmas carols transformed another direction:
Kolyada - god of parties and the peace that ancient Slavs celebrated the winter solstice (December 22). "Before the children were going to kolyadovat under the windows of the rich peasants, the great master in the songs, he repeated the name of Christmas Carols and asked for money, sweets. Kolyada - deity of fun, so it is touted, clicked in the New Year holiday crowd of young people. " When, in 1935. Postyshev in Kharkov decided to impose a celebration of New Year and Christmas party system in the USSR, and agreed to the procedure based on what people in this time of year has always worked-in Christmas carols.
Ie the foundation of modern ritual - Christmas carols, which are hung Odojevs'kogo literature.

P.S. Found a scientific study of the origin of mythology with Santa Claus from the mid 19th century.
http://magazines.russ.ru/nlo/2001/47/dush.html

[Мимопроходил]

Сообщение от Fed

Although I have little interest in Ukrainian traditions, but do not understand your words "In the Ukrainian cultural tradition of its own close to Santa Claus image that's somehow not formed. You seriously think that the image of Santa Claus-conquering Russians?

Yes, what are you, God, what gains? Praobrazy DM - heroes of pre-Slavic times, when neither the Russians nor Ukrainians vpomine was not. What are you hooked, I do not understand? The idea was that the Russian folk tradition, there is Santa Claus /Father Frost, the Belarusian - Zyuzya, and this is recorded written monuments, collections of folklore. Nothing similar in Ukrainian folk culture, I have never met. Wanted to know - my fault of inattention or a real absence of such a hero?

[Fed]

Сообщение от Mimoprohodil

Praobrazy DM

I did not realize that you pro-praobrazy.
I think that if you do not remember the Old Church Slavonic praobrazy common, but their later transformation of living next to Christianity, then the inverse image of Santa Claus in the Ukraine is clearly out of Christmas carols. As the most enduring and now Slavic ritual.
Why "apparently" - remember the Finnish-Joulupukki. Translated - Christmas Goat. He wore no coat, and goatskin.
Ie complete analogy a charged Father of our Christmas carols.

[Сима]

Сообщение от Mimoprohodil

First, in my view, the image of Santa Claus articulated Bilibin. DM he already did with the "human face".

 
Vasnetsov VM in the years 1884-85. You can not say that person is not human. And it is human history:

"Personally I blame
It's cold and I, Spring, and you.
Sixteen years ago, as I have a joke
And Tesha his unstable character,
Changeable and capricious, was
Flirt with Frost, the old grandfather,
Mischievous gray, and from that time
In captivity, I have the old one. Man
Always is: a little bit will give,
And he takes all, so too is
From antiquity. Add to hoary,
Yes, the trouble is that we have with the old daughter -
Maiden. In Deaf Forest slums,
In neta lyadinah Returns
The old man his child. Loving the Snow Maiden,
Pitied her unhappy lobe
With the old quarrel I'm afraid;
And he is glad - chilly, frost
I, Spring, and Berendeys. Sun
Jealous stares angrily at us
And frowns at all, and that's the reason
Severe winters and cold spring. "

[Мимопроходил]

Сообщение от Sim

Vasnetsov VM in the years 1884-85. You can not say that person is not human. And it is a human story ...

Good picture, Seema, thank you, have not seen this. And, in my opinion, a good example to my words - in the illustrated Bilibin uninitiated quickly learns Santa Claus than a scary Kosmachi Vasnetsov. I repeat - in my opinion.