What distinguishes the true artist from not present?

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Artem

I do believe that the topic is closed .

A pobodat'sia? A par vypustit'?

[Buscador]

Сообщение от LCR

real artist - is one that I like)

Accordingly, the topic can be closed. Then, not really, really, no. Everyone - to someone and even like it. The same applies to singers, actors, writers, etc. With this approach, the criteria to any type of activity does not apply.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от LCR

But galleries, which would exist without the artists, can not be, by definition, right? This is the question of who is more important

Ne imeet nikakogo znacheniia. Torgovat 'mozno chem ugodno. Nu ne budet kartin, podumaesh '! Nikto etogo osobenno ne zametit. Bol'shinstvo naseleniia ih i tak ne pokupaet.

A ne budet galerei, i vsei soputstvuiuschei infrastruktury, tak i tseny bydyt dve kopeiki.

Da i prodavat 'budet nekomu. Razdelenie truda sluchilos' davno.

Nikogda i ni v kakom biznese proizvoditel 'ne budet "glavnee" ili diktovat' usloviia marketing i sales.

A eto tam, gde den'gi, a vovse ne u proizvoditelia.

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Kstati, iarkii primer, my uze videli stranu, gde proizvoditeli (rabochie i krest'iane) byli postavleny vperedi parovoza. Rezul'tat ob'iasniat 'ne nado?

[Seriy]

AlexanderG, well al you have made a bold statement. Always and everywhere the manufacturer dictates the price and marketing. Phone manufacturer Apple dictates at what price to sell, where to sell, in what countries, and even when to start selling. And who will try to break-thrown from the list of distributors.
And you ever seen a thread devaluation perfume? It is prohibited by the manufacturer. T e Chanel No. 5 can not be discounted and sold cheaper prices, conceived by the manufacturer.
Maybe in Australia different?

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I think with a commercially successful artists of the same situation. I doubt that Francis Bacon gallery owner can do something to indicate. It can only thank for their confidence.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Seriy

AlexanderG, well al you have made a bold statement. Always and everywhere the manufacturer dictates the price and marketing.

Proizvoditel 'proizvodit. Tsenoobrazovanie - marketing i sales. V dannoi situatsii eto mozet byt 'ob'edineno v kontsern, no raznuiu rabotu vypolniaiut raznye otdeleniia. Mogut byt 'pod odnoi kryshei.

Phone manufacturer Apple dictates at what price to sell, where to sell, in what countries, and even when to start selling. And who will try to break-thrown from the list of distributors.

Opiat 'taki ne proizvoditel'.

And you ever seen a thread devaluation perfume? It is prohibited by the manufacturer. T e Chanel No. 5 can not be discounted and sold cheaper prices, conceived by the manufacturer.
Maybe in Australia differently?

 
Nu tak ee z vezde, kak griazi. Ne videl, t.k nikogda etim ne interesovalsia.
Skidki byvaiut prakticheski na vsio ot Mercedesov do Shveitsarskih chasov.

Po parfiumerii ia ne spets.

[Seriy]

dirt - not dirt, but there are no discounts-this is the condition of the manufacturer.
If your gallery wants to sell or Doig, Hirst, or send you away, or represent certain stringent conditions.
Or do you think that Hearst will give you the fabric and sell as you wish?

[iside]

Comrade Seriy, AlexanderG, unlike you, the marketer and in the field of art-business, by the way, I too, but I have no experience in the field of art, and you - no all that you write about the various manufacturers about the market or technology, everything is wrong I have already tired you repeat it.

[Seriy]

iside, give a link, where tired?

[NATA NOVA]

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Сообщение от iside

A friend Seriy, AlexanderG unlike you an expert on marketing and in the field of art-business, by the way, I am too, but I have no experience in the field of art, and you - no, everything that you write about the various manufacturers about the market or technology, everything is wrong I've tired you repeat it.

Lady iside, but I, unlike you do not believe Mr. Alexander "a specialist in marketing and in the field of art business," because these specialists are responsible for their words and do not fall so openly and clearly to (obviously) unfair advertising, tired I repeat to you!

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Seriy

If your gallery wants to sell or Doig, Hirst, or send you away, or represent certain stringent conditions.

Tol'ko na pervichnom rynke. A na auktsionah ili chastnym obrazom ia mogu ih pokupat ', kak hochu.

Pri nalichii neobhodimyh sredstv, ia mogu skupit 'mnozestvo podobnyh proizvedenii, a potom prodat' ih po kraine nizkoi tsene - zastaviv rynok sbrosit 'tseny. Sleduiuschim hodom, skupit 'vsio, chto poiavilos' po zanizennym tsenam, polozit' na paru let na sklad i prodat 'ih opiat' po bolee vysokoi tsene.

Or do you think that Hearst will give you the fabric and sell as you wish?

A zachem on mne nuzen? V oborote dostatochno ego kartin.

Hochu poiasnit 'strukturu togo, chto vy nazyvaete "proizvoditelem".

Firma, nosiaschaia opredelionnyi brend, eto sloznaia struktura. O na sostoit iz, naprimer, sleduiuschih otdelov:
1. Otdel kadrov
2. Iuridicheskii otdel
3. Otdel ohrany
4. Sobstvenno proizvodstvo
5. Reklama i marketing
6. Prodazi /sales
7. Mezdunarodnye otdely

Nu i tomu podobnoe. Proizvodstvo - eto odin iz otdelov - on zanimaetsia proizvodstvom, no ne prodazami i marketingom, i ne iuridicheskimi uslugami.

Tsenu proizvodstvo ne diktuet.