Degenerate Art? Art of degenerates!

[яня]

Dear Buscador!

Oh! It is necessary "for the market to respond, although enthusiasm and not return.
Be warned - if you want to see how I ishitryatsya demonstrate high artistic merit of the square - will be disappointed. : p
  "Black Square", of course, - a work of avant-garde. Vanguard investigates the outer limits of art, ie his relationship with the audience, rather than its domestic laws, ie plasty. Thus, the problem of artistic quality in the forefront there. (Above, so that the masses it has become clearer in the twentieth century, many artists have worked from the "generals" - Marcel Duchamp and Andy Warhol, for example). For hud.kachestvom refer to traditional artists - not to the avant-garde and their descendants aktualschikam.
"Black box" - just a manifesto of free art. Freedom of figurative painting. For many centuries the question of such exemption was not raised, painting and had to combine their direct responsibilities - the study of spatial relationships with color and indirect - the transfer of visual information. Artists breathe more freely, strangely enough, with the advent of photos - there were those who could now be responsible for the "image" and, moreover, the similarity. Malevich painting was very fond of (though without reciprocity for a long time) and was glad facilitated her release. It was, and so clear, but it was necessary that someone gave "a visual signal. He gave.
Now, it seems no one is particularly necessary to prove that painting - art is no less abstract than music, for example (I mean, of course, not only with Kandinsky Malevich, but Vermeer with Cézanne (if in the previous picture). On This is best himself wrote Kazimierz (see his article "On the new systems in the art").
If you climb further into the forest, which at the forum, it seems to me not to do so (there is after all still the same book), it can be briefly recall that the square to Malevich - the element of his personal mythology (also important for the vanguard of the concept). This projection of a cube, a cube and a cross - the basis "Suprematist warrant. World Space system Malevich structured through their intersecting planes.
The trick is that in this case "individual mythology" as the artist had in mind all of humanity, that nearly a hundred years, we look at the world through the eyes of Malevich. He, his students, their "Suprematist order" - the basis of contemporary visual culture - from architecture to books, from Eisenstein to last clipmaker.
Hopefully, there were no what you mean by "philosophy".

Now, what about the pictures. I beg your pardon, in polemic fervor came lightly - again, you should answer, and not something to really want. But it seemed to me, many and misunderstood.
The first series - it is who «on the one hand» - artists who are only interested in painting itself, so to speak - vertical art.
«On the other hand» - those who are more interested in the opportunity to become "the rulers of the minds", or at least earn some money (preferably both) - that is, those who are on the external boundaries of art, its horizontal.
"Pandora's Box" - contemporary art opened up all the common effort, one that completely ignored the "human", take a sky-high, others that vigorously played up to the mass consciousness.
In modern art, vertical, of course, quite low, and horizontal rather broad, but succumb to panic, it seems, should not - always has been. Cross their intersection still remains, on the contrary - the vectors have become even more clearly visible.
In general, let all the flowers bloom, eh?

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Oops I apologize to the previous speakers! : shy:
Konstantin for me already, in general, responded. Thank you!

[uriart]

Mark, I also share your opinion with the author of the play!
A "black box", in my opinion just Malevich prostebalsya over all.
See Mol and everyone in it will see what he wants!
Well everyone and saw ...........
I went go!

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от SAH

An interesting but rather controversial work. Rather than the content of comic art scholarship.

Beautiful piece, only very long ... "brevity - the sister of talent!

[SAH]

Сообщение от uriart

A "black box", in my opinion just Malevich prostebalsya over all.
See Mol and everyone in it would see what he wants!

: rolleyes: "Do not vkurili, carefully read the Yang.

[voloviks]

Сообщение от Yan

For many centuries the question of such exemption was not raised, painting and had to combine their direct responsibilities - the study of spatial relationships with color and indirect - the transfer of visual information. Artists breathe more freely, strangely enough, with the advent of photos - there were those who could now be responsible for the "image" and, moreover, the similarity.

True, and the exhibition "degenerate art" was the so-called art critics, theorized at the time, and the foundation was laid, the term name - Degeneration - reducing the level of organization in the process of evolution. And only something.
Probably badly named. And away, like the old joke "I'm sorry, fish - fish - pike, pike - bite, bite - a dog, the dog - female:" Men! "He had called me a bitch"
Well nothing, the roads in Russia, too, still no ....

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Сообщение от Yan

Now, with regard to the pictures. I beg your pardon, in polemic fervor came lightly - again, you should answer, and not something to really want. But it seemed to me, many and misunderstood.
The first series - it is who "on the one hand" - artists who are only interested in painting itself, so to speak - vertical art.
"On the other hand - those who are more interested in the opportunity to become" the rulers of the minds ", or at least earn some money (preferably both) - that is, those who are on the external borders of art, its horizontal.

Umnitsa Yan, example:
The TV screen - a boy builds a terrible grimace
text - I, too, so I can, but why show it to the whole world?
answer - because we can.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от uriart

A "black box", in my opinion just Malevich prostebalsya over all.

  R, surprisingly, there is regular. I remember even from here: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=53
Explanation of the Jana so gracefully, that would be worth having it already in the guide forum, which was to address suspicious connoisseurs of figurative painting.

[Buscador]

All thanks! Especially Jana and Konstantin for the time spent on such a broad explanation. And now, if possible, a little of the life of Mr. F. Rerberg ...: confused:

[voloviks]

Сообщение от Buscador

a little bit of the life of Mr. F. Rerberg ...

http://sovcom.ru/index.php?category=...mp;painter=363
http://files.school-collection.edu.r...berg-biogr.htm

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Сообщение от Vladimir

suspicious connoisseurs of figurative painting.

and the same suspicious connoisseurs Non-figurative painting.
So, that let them

all the flowers bloom

[Nedogonov]

Сообщение от Yan

"Black box" - just a manifesto of free art. Freedom of figurative painting.

I am very grateful to Jana, for the fact that the Black box she spoke it was created in me the theme of degenerative art, for a better example of degeneration (degeneration) just do not think.

What is freedom of figurative painting? Absolute, horrible nonsense! Did any of her "spasibistov" trying to understand what these things mean? What is an opera without a voice without a dance or ballet, or literature without words?

If this is possible, then it just will mean the final degree of degeneration. Although possible, of course, go further, writing a "black spot", ie leaving a blank canvas, and then from the canvas to give ...

The latter will mean, however, is not degeneration and death of art. Death, however, sterile, not terrible - death "multiplied by zero." Less worthy of death linked to other "concepts" - jars with the dermis, evisceration cows and stitched sheaths ...

But let us return to the square. If instruct malarial write "99 such squares, and among them involving one of the fifteen" brilliant ", then very likely no one distinguish them from each other.

If you treat the square as the relics (which in principle can be understood), it can be displayed in a museum, but not the museum of fine arts, and local lore, for example, or some museum of art history, or "kontseptualogicheskom.

Actually is the art of square is related not more than one hundred dollar bill. The credibility of the manifesto of Malevich's square supports, and the credibility of the banknote is supported by guarantees of the Fed. Same gold content (by extension) is absent and there and there.

Bank notes, however, can be exchanged for goods without resorting to the Fed. But to feel the aesthetic emanation Square without knowing in detail the biographies of half-taught painter Kazimir Malevich and his "theoretical" works hard.

That is, the concept becomes more important than perception, curator - is more important than the artist, the critic - is more important than the writer or artist, and thoughts about food (spiritual) - is more important than the food. And again we come to the same absurdity, as "painting without the figurative.

All this I mean that for the present degenerate aesthetes bride during the wedding night, is as big a hindrance to "the conceptual perception of his masculinity, and the fine for a" conceptual perception of painting.

Sincerely, Dr. Nedogonov

[SAH]

Сообщение от Nedogonov

But to feel the aesthetic emanation Square without knowing in detail the biographies of half-taught painter Kazimir Malevich and his "theoretical" works hard.

That someone as one with the bride during the wedding night is difficult, while others feel (aesthetic emanation of the square) is simple, and the bride, too, does not matter.