Case of "pornography" in PinchukArtCentre

[Сима]

Debate seems to have faded away, never going out of the emotional framework (in the sense of categorical apparatus ).
I remember, 100 years ago, my friend came from Poland (may be during martial law, Jaruzelski, Solidarity, and so on). Ie in troubled times. She said that she saw on the wall in Krakow in a fairly public place with the inscription "Polonia - whore. We do then was amazing, but we then realized that this is a symptom of a social syndrome. In contrast to the discussion photos (convinced that the symptom of the same syndrome, as semantically - the same thing) the emotion is expressed verbally, and not figuratively. There should be treated no symptoms and syndromes, ie, conscious mind the circumstances of its social, political reality and learn to experience these circumstances with dignity, without any incidents or at least not participating in the excesses. Ie I'm what all this is set forth? And the fact that we should try to realistically analyze their deystvitelnst and see objectively, "whore" or not. And then you have somehow always the artist's fault. This is a bad symptom when the society instead of at yourself in the mirror to see the artist's fault.
Still there are some considerations of psychoanalytic character, but more on that later (maybe, see how the discussion turns).
Shl any country specifically do not want to offend. I hope, will understand correctly.

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Сообщение от Sima

This is a bad symptom when the society instead of at yourself in the mirror to see the artist's fault.

... "You taught me in every puddle to see a reflection of heaven" ...
And this is a topic about the artist:

Сообщение от ; 932221"

Quote:
Note from Eugene
Creativity enables the artist to be more man than he really is.
NATA NOVA:
Long would not say ... (unless that determine WHAT the "man")
And since nearly all rotten, so in this filth, like a kitten in his art to poke?
Different people, different morals, different souls, different artists ...

I Antonio Meneghetti largely do not like, but one I will remove agrees:
.. "Contemporary Art (mostly) vampirichno and schizophrenic, and the artist (easily) throws sick complexes of his soul to the audience" ...

I add:
But the artist. and the viewer has a choice (respectively their morality, responsibility and /or traditions).
Everything depends on the magic question: Why? (Why?) .. Will the world of this cleaner and brighter?

Again, it feels "western accent." These things shock in bloated fat (in the literal and figurative sense) of a consumer society are perceived very differently than in a poor, miserable, monstrous social stratification Ukraine, where everyday reality is shocking is much harder, Th what else "art".

Shl: material poverty in public Metakhim .. I wonder whether there is paper in the toilet pinchukovkom?
there children are taken to a tour-see (from the essay, the journalist to give a link?)

[iside]

Photography, as a photograph. Does this value as a work of Art is - time will tell. Are not particularly enthusiastic, but do not think pornography. Fake Spit Ms. Tymoshenko - that's exactly was pornography and provocation.

Сообщение от Veronic

just imagine that the Ukrainians abroad is exactly what is perceived as potential prostitutes

Veronic, someone thinks dies, someone there, but also smoke without fire.

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Сообщение от hanzen

Creation reflects the inner world of the artist. Feature beautiful photography and art in that, it is possible to investigate the needs of man, his thoughts, experiences, psychosocial problems and all that is called the inner world of man. In the works of artists can make their social history.
The level of education, and more precise breeding tends to be dependent on the internal world. Momentary need, provoked unsatisfied desires, resentment, emotional pain experienced by making adjustments to unpredictable, as in creative writing, and in thinking /reasoning.
That is why it is sometimes difficult to explain why a respected, recognized, successful artist /photographer throws extraordinary images, is not characteristic of his subjects. From reading the forum for high art became clear why young people are not familiar with the concept of "sacred "and was afraid of the fact that the concept of" male authority "," male protection "," male heroism "leveled up" a man's vulgarity, "" male depravity "," male madness ".
Is no accident the theme of "Sexism as a factor of discrimination" in demand in high school youth.     

According with creative baggage, just want to note that "extraordinary" themes and images is a constant feature of the artist,

"Momentary need, provoked unsatisfied desires, resentment, emotional pain experienced by making adjustments to unpredictable, as in creative writing, and in thinking /reasoning"
This applies to the creation of mature (adult) of the artist?
So, you think the work "of creative works, have been subjected to correction in connection with the short-term demand-induced unsatisfied desire? (I can not understand ..)

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Сообщение от Posav

the whole world will know that the world has such Volga

Volga-land adjacent to the middle and lower reaches of the great Russian river Volga.
I can assure you that the world very many people know this very large river in Europe, at least from the fact that the banks held the famous Battle of Stalingrad.
And really the Russian people, I think everybody knows that Russian river.
And in the famous song goes:
- Volga-Volga, dear mother,
Volga, Russian River ... (c)
As for the "wild men" on its shores, they have Russian artists of the 19 th century and the paintings depicted known.
But personally, I would remind you, look.

On the first picture kind Volga my city. I have it in the window watching.

[hanzen]

"the job" put an artist for public view with the support of the organizers in the center of the capital of an independent state. Thus, both the artist and those of his colleagues, friends, partners who have higher academic, teacher education might consider "the job" of creative works. "
If the author of this picture was the favorite son of one of the party forum, the discussion would be held within one family.

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Сообщение от hanzen

Thus, both the artist and those of his colleagues, friends, partners who have higher academic, teacher education might consider "the job" of creative works.

Thank you for razyasnenie, but the question was about the maturity of the artist and his responsibility for his message (s) to society and to society as a whole (not tolklo specific work Khortytsa) and not on whether "this work" the product (this question and did not stand, of course, is)

Сообщение от hanzen

this work, the artist exhibited for public view with the support of the organizers in the center of the capital of an independent state.

State (nominally) independent, and the place of exposure (nominally) private.

[Posav]

I looked at the painting "Barge Haulers". This is what untapped reserves lie in the river tourism. Tours by boat under a hood boatmen. Only here the old, ossified way of thinking makes people get rid of complexes and start making money.

[Vladimir]

Bar to the question of the status of the artist and the situation Bratkov in contemporary art. In early March, "garage" (Daria Zhukova's Center) will be the exhibition "futurology" and "Utopia". Very good selection of personalities. And in "futurology" engaged Bratkov.

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Vladimir, the question whether the participation in exhibitions and status hudozhnikma in modern art "feel somewhat artificial. It's like Hurst .. "Status" is, "venality" is, maybe even the investment potential is, and not like him (netsenyat, no respect), no criticism, nor painters, nor the people ... (you know what)