Go to fight some old - Страница 13 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Маруся · 27.07.2009, 18:28

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Сообщение от Eugene

I agree with you, but not only Russian, but Soviet ..

Eugene!
I will just prizherzhivayus opinion that Soviet Art went back to Lenin's path: "Step forward (Russian avant-garde), two steps back (Socialist Realism)
Sorry if disappointed ...

Тютчев · 27.07.2009, 18:28

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Сообщение от Maroussia

I see no contradiction, or you are not satisfied with the sequence ...
But as we know, from the relocation of sum is not changed.

The fact that this is not mathematics. And the oddities in this case I do not like. Sorry.

Евгений · 27.07.2009, 18:30

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Сообщение от Maroussia

Soviet art

That nonconformists, it belyutintsy and "severe style", etc. ..
Sorry, if disappointing ...

Маруся · 27.07.2009, 18:33

You yourself uses the word "Nonconformists". The word is the meaning of "do not agree with the official style and direction. - To themselves and answer.

Тютчев · 27.07.2009, 18:38

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Сообщение от Maroussia

... as you can after Malevich, Rodchenko, Tatlin to "Socialist realism" ...

What do you call socialist realism?

Маруся · 27.07.2009, 18:42

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Сообщение от Tjutchev

What do you call socialist realism?

And what do you think?

Sorry, that did not answer about casuistry, but in my opinion, you yourself understand everything.

Lord, forgive me, but felt compelled to interrupt such an interesting discussion.

Тютчев · 27.07.2009, 18:58

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Сообщение от Maroussia

I will not quote LCR, and quote Lentulova, I hope that for you it is the authority: "When in France was impressionism, we - the Wanderers, and the first, of course, higher than the second."

Love Lentulova as an artist. But artists are seldom interesting thinkers. Their arguments are sometimes simply - childishly naive, and sometimes unnecessarily hostile to his comrades on the shop floor. And it is not surprising, because they are artists first and foremost. Specifically, this statement speaks only about his attitude to the Impressionists and the Wanderers. And more!

There was a time I tried to build on the work relations of artists to each other but as you know, it did not work.

Now if the artist says about himself - yes, that is important.

Черномашенцев Владимир · 27.07.2009, 19:04

Thinking about their everyday concerns, I once found for a definition of what constitutes a real iskusstvom.Srazu also anticipating the possible charges in the complete absence of my relevant theme of education and a diploma, once again I beg to draw attention to the footnote "From the Editor ...". However, in some areas of contemporary conceptual art, I have profiled a diploma (see below).
So, after disputes with friends and acquaintances on the modern (and not only) of art, I was able to find a perfect definition of art that has nothing to do with stereotypes, education and science, ideology, nationality, level of artistic training, etc., and TAs.

For me, art is what I am under no circumstances would not be able to repeat himself.
Even if I will learn a hundred years, even if I give the most sophisticated equipment and instruments, even if I invite all the millions and billions. Art does not depend on technology and skill of the artist. I have often observed, when even the artist himself is unable to repeat the picture painted at one time under the influence of mood, emotion or inspiration. Soul, in a nutshell.

I am not an artist, I like that from the Chukchi jokes: "Chukchi not the reader, Chukchi - a writer." I - Collector. But I can not very well put together and pull the stretchers blank canvas, as did the conceptual companion, referred to in the beginning of the topic. I do not remember his name. I can not quite tie to the wall and connect multiple fluorescent lamps, as was done in the Pushkin Museum in the exhibition "300 years of Amer. Art "(2007) unknown to me as an electrician. Incidentally, I myself am an electrician diploma, issued in the Soviet Union, so that in this, believe me, I'm a good specialist. Once in the workshop of one artist, I drew his attention to the set of all kinds of lamps and bulbs, which he clocked at the ceiling to provide proper light in the long winter evenings. Along with spectacular piece of tin, it made an impression far more spectacular than what I saw then in the Pushkin Museum. But nobody in their right mind vzbredet head to call it art. Otherwise, each Tajik, who carries around a construction site on my cars with broken bricks and all sorts of debris, may require too much money for their hard work. Piece - for each wheelbarrow!

See the book:
Museum of Modern iskusstva.Nyu York. 2005 WORD

And ask yourself questions:

1) Can you repeat a bunch of wires and lamps, as made on p. 281 Rodi Graumans? Incidentally, he is my year of birth, but I no longer Kruchu wiring money and earn a living exclusively own mind.

2) Is it possible to produce infinitely SMART cars on the assembly line, as on page 291?

3) Can I use the screwdriver to attach to a wall shelf, as it did on page 274, Robert Ryman?

4) Is it possible to again expand the corrugated board, as it did on page 275, Frank O. Jerry?

5) Can I also "highly artistic" hang on the wall felt like it did on page 255, Robert Morris?

If you have positive answers to these questions, then ask yourself another one - then what is it Amer. "Art". And whether or not to imitate it?
You should not confuse art and design. Picture and poster. Graphics and photos. Soul and the free market.

I was born in the USSR, but am not a supporter of communism (voluntarily and with the scandal came from the ranks of the Komsomol in 1989, when nothing was clear, "seized" with an almost entire group Baumanke). But I vote for censorship. Censorship, to the museums and exhibition halls are penetrated edits things, and still more foul language and pornography. Do not rely on the opinion of the people - in our old quarter there are almost no people. The bulk of the Russians can only call the people watching that they can do with herself officials, politicians, policemen, traffic police, tax inspectors, already, to a lesser extent, the bandits ... or you are ready to use at the Bolshoi our pop stage? That's impossible! Stop already, and it is possible if pay money and invest in a commercial project promotion of an artist or an artist. Example N. Baskova illustrative, although he at least notes do not misinterpret.

So in America, rich people want for their own money, too, be an artist. Why not join the millionaires with their own kind and buy each other something that may well nastrugat large quantities of Chinese "manufacturers". I can also paint a stencil aerosol paints colorful squares! I want fame and glory! But why not consider it necessary to spend this precious time?
There is a good phrase - "time will judge." It may not be rigid censorship, but let's agree not to let in the best museums of modern art, yet it will not be self-tested a naturally over time? It is not accepted in civilized countries erect monuments in vivo, even famous people. Wax in the panopticon to the people - perhaps, but not the monuments.

Тютчев · 27.07.2009, 19:09

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Сообщение от Maroussia

You yourself uses the word "Nonconformists". The word is the meaning of "do not agree with the official style and direction. - To themselves and answer.

If you think, there are no contradictions. Dialectics, gentlemen. The unity of opposites. The eternal order of things.

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Сообщение от Maroussia

Eugene!
I will just prizherzhivayus opinion that Soviet Art went back to Lenin's path: "Step forward (Russian avant-garde), two steps back (Socialist Realism)
Sorry if disappointed ...

Maroussia, not solid!

You're a smart woman!

Sorry.

Евгений · 27.07.2009, 20:22

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

but let's agree not to let in the best museums of modern art

I do not agree, but this is the tenth circle, the same thing ..

27.07.2009, 19:04	Язык оригинала: Русский #128
Черномашенцев Владимир Banned Регистрация: 25.07.2009 Адрес: Россия, Москва Сообщений: 875 Спасибо: 1,092 Поблагодарили 1,381 раз(а) в 500 сообщениях Записей в дневнике: 12 Репутация: 2191	Finally thought of something perfect definition of this art! Thinking about their everyday concerns, I once found for a definition of what constitutes a real iskusstvom.Srazu also anticipating the possible charges in the complete absence of my relevant theme of education and a diploma, once again I beg to draw attention to the footnote "From the Editor ...". However, in some areas of contemporary conceptual art, I have profiled a diploma (see below). So, after disputes with friends and acquaintances on the modern (and not only) of art, I was able to find a perfect definition of art that has nothing to do with stereotypes, education and science, ideology, nationality, level of artistic training, etc., and TAs. For me, art is what I am under no circumstances would not be able to repeat himself. Even if I will learn a hundred years, even if I give the most sophisticated equipment and instruments, even if I invite all the millions and billions. Art does not depend on technology and skill of the artist. I have often observed, when even the artist himself is unable to repeat the picture painted at one time under the influence of mood, emotion or inspiration. Soul, in a nutshell. I am not an artist, I like that from the Chukchi jokes: "Chukchi not the reader, Chukchi - a writer." I - Collector. But I can not very well put together and pull the stretchers blank canvas, as did the conceptual companion, referred to in the beginning of the topic. I do not remember his name. I can not quite tie to the wall and connect multiple fluorescent lamps, as was done in the Pushkin Museum in the exhibition "300 years of Amer. Art "(2007) unknown to me as an electrician. Incidentally, I myself am an electrician diploma, issued in the Soviet Union, so that in this, believe me, I'm a good specialist. Once in the workshop of one artist, I drew his attention to the set of all kinds of lamps and bulbs, which he clocked at the ceiling to provide proper light in the long winter evenings. Along with spectacular piece of tin, it made an impression far more spectacular than what I saw then in the Pushkin Museum. But nobody in their right mind vzbredet head to call it art. Otherwise, each Tajik, who carries around a construction site on my cars with broken bricks and all sorts of debris, may require too much money for their hard work. Piece - for each wheelbarrow! See the book: Museum of Modern iskusstva.Nyu York. 2005 WORD And ask yourself questions: 1) Can you repeat a bunch of wires and lamps, as made on p. 281 Rodi Graumans? Incidentally, he is my year of birth, but I no longer Kruchu wiring money and earn a living exclusively own mind. 2) Is it possible to produce infinitely SMART cars on the assembly line, as on page 291? 3) Can I use the screwdriver to attach to a wall shelf, as it did on page 274, Robert Ryman? 4) Is it possible to again expand the corrugated board, as it did on page 275, Frank O. Jerry? 5) Can I also "highly artistic" hang on the wall felt like it did on page 255, Robert Morris? If you have positive answers to these questions, then ask yourself another one - then what is it Amer. "Art". And whether or not to imitate it? You should not confuse art and design. Picture and poster. Graphics and photos. Soul and the free market. I was born in the USSR, but am not a supporter of communism (voluntarily and with the scandal came from the ranks of the Komsomol in 1989, when nothing was clear, "seized" with an almost entire group Baumanke). But I vote for censorship. Censorship, to the museums and exhibition halls are penetrated edits things, and still more foul language and pornography. Do not rely on the opinion of the people - in our old quarter there are almost no people. The bulk of the Russians can only call the people watching that they can do with herself officials, politicians, policemen, traffic police, tax inspectors, already, to a lesser extent, the bandits ... or you are ready to use at the Bolshoi our pop stage? That's impossible! Stop already, and it is possible if pay money and invest in a commercial project promotion of an artist or an artist. Example N. Baskova illustrative, although he at least notes do not misinterpret. So in America, rich people want for their own money, too, be an artist. Why not join the millionaires with their own kind and buy each other something that may well nastrugat large quantities of Chinese "manufacturers". I can also paint a stencil aerosol paints colorful squares! I want fame and glory! But why not consider it necessary to spend this precious time? There is a good phrase - "time will judge." It may not be rigid censorship, but let's agree not to let in the best museums of modern art, yet it will not be self-tested a naturally over time? It is not accepted in civilized countries erect monuments in vivo, even famous people. Wax in the panopticon to the people - perhaps, but not the monuments.

27.07.2009, 18:33	Язык оригинала: Русский #124
Маруся Гуру Регистрация: 24.05.2009 Сообщений: 1,972 Спасибо: 4,937 Поблагодарили 4,308 раз(а) в 1,547 сообщениях Репутация: 8082	You yourself uses the word "Nonconformists". The word is the meaning of "do not agree with the official style and direction. - To themselves and answer.