Damien Hirst again in Kiev II

[Nedogonov]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Yes, you yourself have created this context. Is it, for example, more innocuous word "type"?

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Note from Nedogonov
And our Erofeev with his Samodurov - heroes common, though bold, and the archetypal in its own way. Would give them "as if" - would have withered long. But others will. Name them - legion. And the existing system itself, although it threatens them with a finger for fun, but actually creates the conditions for them all.

Sorry for this remark, my dear Cyril Syzransky, I did not realize that the activities Erofeeva and Samodurova be nice to you ... Always pleasant when criticized adherents.

Well, thank you that paid attention to my lack of tact, even if committed by me in an entirely different post.

And this picture is in the style of Nazi propaganda?

There are two of them, my man Cyril Syzransky! Just can not figure out which of them you hurt so much? And what was Hitler? Judas 30serebrennikami? So this is another - Gospel ... Or you are against the Gospel and its truths?

you'll run gnustnye anti-Semitic images, as I have you "art history" scold, as guru unreasonable student?
Sorry, but can you really do not understand that such statements and such images creates a forum reputation morally shady and nerukopodavaemogo?

Guru suffered! Ghosn started! Stranger off! But where's the anti-Semitism? This is like slander, and the latter the jurisdiction!

And why did you, dear, Cyril Syzransky, for the entire forum say? Surely everything is "your"? I'd still somehow understand if you were a real guru, and then after all - a virtual, that is seemingly ...

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Let's live together

That you offer me?

Of course, my dear Cyril Syzransky, because we are all brothers in Christ and should love each other! Or again, I blurted out something? ... No pardon me

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Nedogonov

Is there all "your"?

No, there is, unfortunately, there are "your".
I advise them and to continue to communicate in this forum. You have them, it seems, have found.
Goodbye.

[Nedogonov]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

No, here, unfortunately, there are "your".
I advise them and to continue to communicate in this forum. You have them, it seems, have found.
Bye.

Not I first turned to you. Lord keep you!

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от SAH

Message from Vladimir
Maybe Hirst - it's not a hymn of decay, and the idea of overcoming fear, division of physical and spiritual?

Maybe so, too, can be positioned. I wonder that all his work in my opinion of course relevant, and it is "scary" relevance. Not the best for the planet relevance, in my opinion.

I think that the rejection of Hirst - a piece which many art lovers will be over time. If interested, talk about their personal experiences. About some of these outstanding kids, I learned in 2004, when preparing an article about the most expensive young hudozhdnikov. http://directorinfo.ru/Article.aspx?...24&iid=612 It lists many of the first names. Hurst was not the first in the list, ahead of his Cattelan - in general, and is now interesting to read. Although five years a lot of water has flowed. On impressions: in art, Jean-Michel Basquiat and Gary Hume fell in love immediately. Chris Ofili at once made the foolish impression, and the girls, Rachel and Jenny Sevil Uaytrid remembered. But with Hurst came out as something "mimoprohodil": the scandal at the customs on the transport of biological materials, some skeletons in closets. In general, the first impression - some banter and rubbish. But only the first. Then, when you begin to follow the evolution of his ideas, so where everything goes (Mexico, blended Catholic feasts of the dead, everyday attitude to death, not peculiar to Europeans) - was interesting. And now confidently say: yes, sometimes it remains vypendezhnikom (as with diamond skull), but generally people doing a titanic intellectual work. At a dedication capable man, free from the need to earn money. Who does not know, Hurst multimillionaire and might well have been lying on the stove (it is a reminder to those who blames the artist in avarice). So watch for his uncommon ideas (and they, unfortunately, is not inexhaustible) are quite fascinating and useful IMHO. Those who want to look into the future.

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Konstantin

... but let me remind the reaction of his contemporaries on the Impressionists. Now all this is strange to read.

    Contrary to the entrenched view of history is not repeated. Therefore, all events, contemporaries of whom we are, come the first time and will never recur, they are unique. You can search for an analogy, think, but with a correction for this obvious fact. History is not science in the strict sense of the word, so you can not simulate the future or to find events that would be exactly in line with the (events), or occurring in a different another time.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Vladimir

here with Hurst came out as something "mimoprohodil": scandal at the customs on the transport of biological materials, some skeletons in closets. In general, the first impression - some banter and rubbish. But only the first. Then, when you begin to follow the evolution of his ideas, so, where everything goes (Mexico, mixed Catholic feast of the dead, consumer attitude toward death is not peculiar to Europeans) - was interesting.

Yes, I too, from these pictures left feeling a strange attraction, if a speech here that Mexico is involved, it becomes clearer and, then, he did not ernichaet ... Aggressiveness not. That's close to such a statement in Moscow case (Sah.Tsentr, Erofeev, etc.) seem to be any fuss dubious wing, the whole spirit of the policy and the "crusade" against religion, he was funny ...

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Tjutchev

Contrary to the entrenched view of history is not repeated. Therefore, all the events of his contemporaries whom we are, occur the first time and more, never be repeated, they are unique. You can search for an analogy, think, but with a correction for this obvious fact. History is not science in the strict sense of the word, so you can not simulate the future or to find events that would be exactly in line with the (events), or occurring in a different another time.

The funniest thing in your statement - is that you are right and wrong simultaneously. It all depends on the particular situation.

[Nedogonov]

Сообщение от Vladimir

I think that the rejection of Hirst - a piece which many art lovers will be over time.

I am also almost sure of it - will pass! As, apparently, "will" and the art itself, through the efforts of the glorious world of the "Internationale incompetence" ...

It is, alas, and the rejection by the human body of nicotine, alcohol and other drugs (if you make enough perseverance, so as to accustom him to the poison). Man's first tears and correct it ... But the man - not a pig, gets used to anything ...

Over time, the use of such stimulants, intellectual and physical activity becomes a habit and becomes a human life is not just a matter of course, but also necessary (relax) and trendy (everyone drinks).

And eventually ceases to be a beautiful beautiful and beautiful disappears from life, as well as a comfortable state of mind, if you do not apply to ordinary glass, cigarettes, snuff, Shmyga etc ...

Absolutely a similar manner and in art (as a living incarnation) fashionable and necessary now become immoral, stupid, head-on ways to achieve "artistic" effects, and gains audience attention and understanding.

And why, I wonder what terrible accident, the greater is going to onlookers, observe what is going stupid "installation" with the participation of victims, traffic police and ambulance? Here, as times, acts neochelovechennaya part of the psyche. Its something and pick out the surface with enviable persistence Laborers' International ... ".

So come Eviscerate cows, as an object of worship ...

What is happening at once satisfied with two categories of "art-market players. First, the artists - they do not have to strain his mind to find a beautiful life around him (and the last - a ministry of calling and faith, and education, and will, and intelligence).

Secondly, the visitors (potential customers) - they all disappear need to understand the art (and how to serve, and how to craft), to evaluate its merits. And someone enthused Hurst (here is the common name), can be totally calm - we have a lot, so do not be ashamed ... It is like Pinchuk (too - narits.)

Main the same "player" is the "art market" third force - "curators" and market-makers. But they benefit from psycho-pathological propaganda "art" and the promotion of personalities, not succeeded in professional skills and find High. And it would be great if only greed motivated them ...

[Konstantin]

So it appears Eviscerate cows, as an object of worship ...

Dear Nedogonov, then you do not like clear understanding of the situation, please give an example of what you like from the modern.

By the way, very fond of carcasses Soutine and many are then shocked, and now cheers.
I like do not understand why a carcass in formalin pay millions of $, and for the dummies out of the shop hunter - a few thousand rubles. But at the same time if the market is suffering and let him.

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от Konstantin

By the way, very fond of carcasses Soutine and many are then shocked, and now cheers.

You can also give examples Feshin ( "Slaughterhouse") and Shemyakin. By the way at the last photo because carcasses peeps Vladimir Vysotsky