Found in an abandoned Parisian apartment painting sold for 2.1 million euros

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Сообщение от fabosch

In my opinion, it is still an artist, though not a salon, but tending to the salon.

On what grounds, in your opinion, Feshina can be attributed to the artist "gravitating to the salon?

[Seriy]

Tiutchev, with all due respect to you .. Feshin is a compilation, professional, level, but a person familiar with the painting can be seen here, looks at a woman in a black Feshina, you see two women in black Renoir from the Pushkin , look at the background of nudity - see the rocks by the sea Monet. THEOREM see other people's techniques, foreign technology and color solutions. This is fine as long as the artist does not want to be an artist in the first row. You can repeat someone else's discovery, not of their making. That's the difference.
 Do not divide the enthusiasm and the Serowe-fine artist, but again - not great.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Seriy

Feshin is a compilation, professional, level, but a person familiar with the painting can be seen here, looks at a woman in a black Feshina, you see two women in black Renoir from the Pushkin, look at the background of nudity - see rocks by the sea Monet. THEOREM see other people's techniques, foreign technology and color solutions. This is fine as long as the artist does not want to be an artist in the first row. You can repeat someone else's discovery, not of their making. That's the difference.
Do not divide the enthusiasm and the Serowe-fine artist, but again - not great.

Dear Seriy, try (to start), just write a tiny simple sketch alla-prima à la Serov, Feshin or Boldini ...
this level of writing is valuable to the MTA itself (yes even as a living example) ..
(Although I personally find paintings Feshina American period, several mosaic, broken .. but for a virtuoso drawing difficult to continue the series)

You nazyvesh a "compilation" and could be called "enriched the creative method of achieving predecessors" (which is not the Repin, for example) ...

"Sovershayushie opening artists first-line" ... And who is the "Great Artist"? (Interesting names, for thy)

Yes, all "great" could be great, just because climbed on the shoulders of giants "(IMHO) ..

Сообщение от Seriy; 1443891"

T e see other people's techniques, foreign technology and color solutions.

And I see mostly plagiarism, plagiarism, and plagiarism ... again (Take, for your favorite Picasso izorreynogo *) ..

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"Izoreya": Of-image; - Rey- incontinence ..

[Seriy]

NATA NOVA, you have these artists all clear to me and reproducibly. Impressionism even in Africa impressionism. Will I have to write in their style? wait and see ... if the desire comes, then I will - I have a spontaneous and force myself I can not.
 Picasso is absolutely unattainable, opened yesterday and watched him work years 1910-1911, one can only weep bitter tears and awe - is no mere mortal can not repeat, on a variety of techniques on the appropriateness of their application for compositional thinking, for freedom, with which creates a huge worlds and at the same time, the iron will and an awareness of the plan - what will be the first smear and a final. And three hundred and complicated work for one year, unless such death by the forces? Profusion is as well-from other artists once or twice and had nothing else to watch, send repetitive-and this every two or three years, a new life.
 Of the works that I personally, as an artist, has recently led to an absolute delight - the work of Matisse. I underestimated him before, because they are badly known. From living like Cy Twombly.
Set the "great" I coincides with the standard.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от "Seriy

clear to me and reproducibly.

Yeah, try it (and show!)


About Picasso: for me the person and artist are inseparable (and the person he was g @ NIST, Harmony), IMHO)

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Tiutchev

On what grounds, in your opinion, Feshina can be attributed to the artist "gravitating to the salon"?

In my view, to such attributes include, focus on the artist's "beautiful writing", to a certain "formal maestro, leading to the same manner, to the dissolution of individual psychological characteristics of the models in the outer artistry brushwork

[NATA NOVA]

Well could not reproduce the image (the same boy, and "The Little Cowboy")

I would not call Feshinskuyu manner of "concentration on the beautiful" would call accurate stroke, and as for "formialnoy Maestro then again, poporobuy-show ..
Who knows?
Who can?

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Сообщение от Seriy

Tiutchev, with all due respect to you .. Feshin is a compilation, professional, level, but a person familiar with the painting can be seen here, looks at a woman in a black Feshina, see Two women in black Renoir from the Pushkin, look at the background of nudity - see the rocks by the sea Monet. THEOREM see other people's techniques, foreign technology and color solutions. This is fine as long as the artist does not want to be an artist in the first row. You can repeat someone else's discovery, not of their making. That's the difference.
 

Dear Seriy, I am ready to accept even a very different and unexpected points of view. But what I read in your comment this post, put me in amazement! Feshin - compiler Renoir? Are you serious? In this case, if someone Rafael respect to Leonardo da Vinci? No, of course, one can discern some common place in the work of different artists. Naturally, such an artist like Renoir, influenced many of his colleagues. But you ever thought about those who influenced Renoir himself? It is obvious that Renoir would not Renoir, do not use it experience and achievements of its predecessors. In his works one can trace the influence of artists from the Renaissance and ending with 19 th century. And it's natural! Who then Renoir? The same compiler as Feshin? Yes, for God's sake! But in this case the word "compiler" takes a positive value. How do you imagine the development of art without the exchange of experiences and achievements between the artists who lived in different times and contemporaries? An artist who thinks primarily about is not to be like anyone else, it's still a beginner or an artist or not sostoyavshiysya.Ponimaete by itself "otherness" is not the main advantage and of itself. Radical innovations in art - a thing rarely and certainly does not apply to Renoir. All great artists (with very few exceptions, and how to look) stand on the shoulders of their predecessors. Otherwise, we all need to believe that the occurrence of every significant name is actually a white sheet?

But as far as it Feshina and Renoir, here I see the least able to charge in the compilation. Not to be unfounded, I found reproductions of works by Renoir referred to by you and Feshina. I hope that you had in mind one of those works Feshina, which I quote below. But none of them has, in my opinion, nothing for us to have the opportunity to call it a compilation of works by Renoir, "Women in Black." Well, maybe, except that the black dress? But this is no longer the domain of Art ...

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Сообщение от Seriy

Do not divide the enthusiasm and the Serowe-fine artist, but again - not great.

Dear Seriy, if you claim this, you will without difficulty be able to name at least a dozen of the great portrait painters - contemporaries Serov - to better our understanding of your ideas about who is greater than he? Who are they?

[Seriy]

Tiutchev, thank you, that you put next two pictures, Renoir and Feshina-evident, as Feshin withdraws from Renoir ALL-black and wrote as Renoir (not black as they paint a black dress .... write the reduced Renoir too yellow in the original black with Renoir made a game with ultramarine and black is not there at all) and face-light pancake with a focus-red stain lips. And even the blue ribbon, to contrast with the ultramarine (the traditional method of Impressionist and Post-Impressionists - next ultramarine and Prussian blue, two blue, but contrasting to each other) in Feshina found! only Renoir it up, have Feshina below.
Well, if he did better than Renoir, but Renoir's harder to track, but two triangles are intersecting lines defined hands-in Feshina simple triangles. Feshin threw all the orange (I have not seen the original, there may be more difficult), which blinded the picture.
IMHO, I do not think Feshin put himself on a stage where you put it, so do not hesitate to these parallels.
About portrait-landscape - I do not understand literary genre basics, for me painting is the composition, colors, brush strokes and what they represent, to me anyway, and how your nose looks like, and how the character caught ...
Who's thinner Serov knew and worked with color in Russian painting? Levitan. Could and hit his forehead with yellow or ultramarine, and could play on the subtle nuances, such colors could work that into his head will not come. In Serov all predictable and there will be pink, gray and where, we can not verify. Although a great artist (so I did not suspect a nisproverganii).
 You simply put the question bluntly - when Serov and Feshin will be recognized equal to the great and the price including? IMHO, ever.