As the wolf nor the feed ...

[ecc4]

In the words of Eugene greater correctness, I think so.
qwerty, and all of your opinions - it is garbage.
But it turns out that faith or who can not ... "except me!"
I do not understand how in today's prices at the pictures and the situation on the art market could sell the painting (severe) with no conclusions, it's like cars and apartments to sell without papers on parole.

[Zenia]

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HeG! Edifying debate.

If I ever have a problem with the attribution of Katrina: carried her to ekstasensu or clairvoyant! Be more reliable!: P

[qwerty]

Сообщение от ecc4

In the words of Eugene greater correctness, I think so.
qwerty, and all of your opinions - it is garbage.
But it turns out that faith or who can not ... "except me!"
I do not understand how in today's prices at the pictures and the situation on the art market could sell the painting (severe) with no conclusions, it's like cars and apartments to sell without papers on parole.

Of course, expert opinion - not garbage, and sell the paintings without using it. Case - the authorship of these findings. If the examination of the relevant artist signed by someone of the experts of the Association of antique and artdilerov (for example, Ilyukhin by Larionov and Goncharova, or driving her to schedule Sudeikina) - this one story, and if you have on hand examination of the Tretyakov Gallery (Valyaeva-Lomize), then this is a big disadvantage, even if the work is real. And if in your hands, say, Rusakov, we should not go in artkonsalting and not Grabar, and collectors forward or Babichev, and already on the basis of their opinions the same Grabar do you conclude.
I have this to the fact that you need to know where you can make a proper examination of a particular artist, not drive one size fits all.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от qwerty

I have this to the fact that you need to know where you can make a proper examination of a particular artist

Everyone would have such knowledge as you .., like this and collect the crumbs of information ..

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от qwerty

I understand that you, as artdileru easier to sell with examinations or tretyakovok artkonsaltingov, but that's another story ...

Yes, it is now easier to sell to examinations of institutions than with the confirmation of the relatives of the artist. Go explain to the buyer that the relation, if any, and in what condition he confirmed.
I am talking in general.
Customer understands that although the organization does not assume responsibility now, but even had she will not disappear, you can go there and ask for clarification, etc.

[Самвел]

I think that's all these delays, greatly inhibit rynok.Ochen many collectors buy without provenance, expert opinions, etc. Let the course they will, but their conclusion, dozhno be of secondary importance. As bud-then who is lobbying for the institution, probably earn a good idea?

[qwerty]

Сообщение от Eugene

all have such knowledge as you .., like this and collect the information bit by bit ..

So for this forum exists. I think people are advanced in a position to answer any question, if only it was set correctly.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

OlgaV, I also read and even wanted to say something to you, but changed his mind, on the third circle already started ...

[SergeiSK]

OlgaV,
Your letter took the spirit of the Internet, but I read it ...
I suggest you carefully read again the whole subject, and only then to draw any conclusions, although not all who read Mein camphene "understood what it meant, and interpreted it differently. So you ...
I did not beat his fists on his chest and shouted that my picture is real. Wherever it hung and hung a necessary comment. I have no one offered to remove it, I myself have written that it is a fake. In my opinion of course ... Well, in a tone with which the subject and began, talking to bums on the Kursk station, descending to their level and learn from their lives. That's me the most and did not like. In a decent society for such a strike face.

Сообщение от OlgaV

But I would still like to look at the "expert" who says that "the opinion of his son, does not mean anything compared to his - opinion - expert"!.

Here ... Son of the military should well understand my father's arms, the son of a fisherman in my father's catch, a son of a musician in the notes and sounds. So? Everyone must do his job. Son's father does not respond "(Stalin, 1935)
And you mentioned that I have a lot of problematic works. I have about 150-200 pictures. And only about ten of them belong to the "problematic". And what a collection you have? After all, to something judged, something must have. Well, or something professionally to learn ... Or the son of the collector must also have an eye for art and antiques market? My reason tennis like.
And. More in this topic is nothing to comment I will not, because after members of the dispute and "the parser operations have already appeared other commentators. That and talk ....

[Glasha]

Let both the original party to the discussion.
The same can be said to myself: there is no bias, there is a clear position on this issue.
I think the issue continues to emerge, because Eugene, as a good lawyer who took her in a completely different direction, with the advantage, in my opinion, is not quite the correct methods, but rather what already there, blows below the belt: "just a salesman of his paintings father, "" interested person "," diletansky approach ", etc. Of course, the best defense is attack. A reputable professional opinion, such a simple, seemingly, Liana thought that falsification blacken the reputation of an artist, and they, like the son of his father, wife, husband, etc., just hurt by this is if everything remained unnoticed.
  And call heresy collected a huge family archival material in almost all the works, documentaries and kinosvidetelstva of the artist as well as stored his wife all his letters (from their acquaintances), memories of a son about his father long and hard and fast line up still lifes writing, not to mention the fact that so far mnogchislennaya collection of these objects, "heroes" still lifes Stozharov, kept them ...
Reminds squabbles komunalki. Posotryasali air, and WHO and is now there.
The moral and ethical issues left aside: the fact that obviously (originally SergeiSK himself has admitted it is one) is a fake picture continued to sell well (honestly, I think that Alexander was a delicate cost sayings, and not put mats on the male that was would be understandable).
And now SergeiSK "joke" by putting your lot from 1 ruble rate is http://molotok.ru/search.php?string=...mp;country=168

Сообщение от Eugene

, if dubious, Sergei you have already written, he just destroy it in your presence, or in the presence of experts from the Tretyakov Gallery.

-but what is it? Doubtful unequivocally confirmed and expert advice site. SergeiSK to sell it won an auction (or "break off" the winner?), And that? She will continue to "walk"?


P.S. Ol, thank you very much for the suggestion, but I Temperature: (, and I think you may be better to go there today, because tomorrow, many will begin to wind down, the last day?