How to unleash the artist

[spigo]

Continuing in my diary.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от tiffany

On the one hand, if the artist would write what dictates the art dealer, because it is effectively for sale - this is the market. If the artist likes to write a story in a style all my life - this is normal. This is not conjuncture. This creativity. If you like one style or the other - this is also normal. Freedom - the basis for creativity.

All this is understandable, but as a live artist, if he would write only what he likes, but it is 90%of products on the table .. How will he feed his family, he would simply exist in this world?
Art dealers, gallery owners, they do not dictate an artist than he does and how to write (he is without them, well knows), the problem: in conjunction with gallery owners
make a commercial artist's work (in a good sense of the word) .. the money is the independence of the artist, is an opportunity to do what he wants with a family, be psychologically stable in this easy, modern life .. Artem wrote somewhere: ". . good gallery owners (who find it possible to engage in creativity of the artist) is a medal for the artist .. " totally agree ..
The successful tandem of artist-gallerist (art dealer, collector)-only road to success .. everything else is a waste of time for the artist (if it is self-promoting themselves).

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Сообщение от Eugene

All right, this is reality .. So we have to live ..

Okay.
That is how we must live artist, Ask a question /matter and he sends it inside or outside /"what to do to sell it?"


Objective need for artists such issue is not specified, that is, to impose their aesthetics of the viewer, the buyer, intermediary, massive artist - far from insignificant.
They live by the laws of another questioning.
And here we are with them do not meet.

[Шазина]

All this is understandable, but as a live artist, if he would write only what he likes, but it is 90%of products on the table .. How will he feed his family, he would simply exist in this world?
Art dealers, gallery owners, they do not dictate an artist than he does and how to write (he is without them, well knows), the problem: in conjunction with gallery owners to make a commercial artist's work (in a good sense of the word) ..

In confirmation of the correctness of reasoning Eugene.
Conflict of interest in the artist and the curator there, if people are serious about their delu.Diktovat the artist as a write-impossible and wrong, we must look for ways to attract vnimaniya.T.e. create imya.Dalee is a joint work of the artist and gallery owner, may be interested dealers and kollektsionerov.Na my mind confusion of what should be a gallery owner and dealer, often complicate the process of internationalization of artistic product rynok.Otchasti because on the surface looks like - "two in one".
Most importantly for gallerist, uncomplicated advertising and fashion eye, impeccable taste, intuition, the ability to their own opinion ... Gallery owner, rather vocation or way of life, great responsibility, than a profession. Dealer profession-that-be to learn better not only in Russia, at the same time overgrown necessary linkages with auction houses, collectors, colleagues, etc.
Gallery owner forms a collection suit shows, set prices, like the difference between the requested price and the actual (asking and retail price), in which case the dealer knows what and whom to invite and how much he receives for his labor and communications.
To be honest about it and write, and tedious to read, we need specific examples, it is better from my own real zhizni.Budet convincing.
I'm on this topic workshops in the City class in Moscow.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Berth

I agree.
That is how we must live artist, Ask a question /matter and he sends it inside or outside /"what to do to sell it?"


Objective need for artists such issue is not specified, that is, to impose their aesthetics of the viewer, the buyer, intermediary, massive artist - far from insignificant.
They live by the laws of another questioning.
And here we are with them do not meet.

What if I need to sell everyone knows, but it is disgusting.

You know it was such artists and make art and that they have invested, it was such artists buying Shchukin and Morozov, imnenno makie artists bring the name and money holders.

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Сообщение от Pavel

You know it was such artists and make art and that they have invested, it was such artists buying Shchukin and Morozov, imnenno makie artists bring the name and money holders.

And now it is in such and invested.

[L-ana64110]

Artist and gallery owners share one goal is to earn money, how honestly and competently, each performs its obyazatelsta-is a great question, unfortunately. In my practice it is arduous to encounter dishonesty as the one hand, and on the other. For example: working with the gallery owner, artist and puts him in their capabilities, how can sell, and the artist "the corner" starts to sell already "running" m, e repeated at smaller and cheaper, it is clear that this is not the prospects for the gallery owner. Another example gallerist quietly making prints of their best selling artist of course cost a little more traffic and, in fact not be an artist to monitor the activities of its curator, his work a lot,,,
Therefore, to find "her" from both sides is a great success for both parties. And about the "work table" - for me, this is unprofessional attitude to work, amateurism, hobbies,,,
I'm hanging on the wall just something that I very dear to me as I leave things like the memory of the past years, events, and so for 30 years with thousands of sold works, including the schedule and bookings, I think with any professional, no less sold work.

Paul, about how disgusting that no one says, if we just issue is unacceptable, it is clear that nothing good will fail,,, I like the thematic orders, they do not infringe on the artist. How you?

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Shazina

All this is understandable, but as a live artist, if he would write only what he likes, but it is 90%of products on the table .. How will he feed his family, he would simply exist in this world ?
Art dealers, gallery owners, they do not dictate an artist than he does and how to write (he is without them, well knows), the problem: in conjunction with gallery owners to make a commercial artist's work (in a good sense of the word) ..

In confirmation of the correctness of reasoning Eugene.
Conflict of interest in the artist and the curator there, if people are serious about their delu.Diktovat the artist as a write-impossible and wrong, we must look for ways to attract vnimaniya.T.e. create imya.Dalee is a joint work of the artist and gallery owner, may be interested dealers and kollektsionerov.Na my mind confusion of what should be a gallery owner and dealer, often complicate the process of internationalization of artistic product rynok.Otchasti because on the surface looks like - "two in one".
Most importantly for gallerist, uncomplicated advertising and fashion eye, impeccable taste, intuition, the ability to their own opinion ... Gallery owner, rather vocation or way of life, great responsibility, than a profession. Dealer profession-that-be to learn better not only in Russia, at the same time overgrown necessary linkages with auction houses, collectors, colleagues, etc.
Gallery owner forms a collection suit shows, set prices, like the difference between the requested price and the actual (asking and retail price), in which case the dealer knows what and whom to invite and how much he receives for his labor and communications.
To be honest about it and write, and tedious to read, we need specific examples, it is better from my own real zhizni.Budet convincing.
I'm on this topic workshops in the City class in Moscow.

It seems to me that all the easier-selling art gallery owner and dealer-seller, of course it should have all these ingredients for success, but success will not be unless there is a democratic public auction, tender, around which there would be other auction houses, both in countries with long traditions . No price fixing in the homeland, we simply colony depends on each whistle there. Other oddities. The natural desire to become rich merchant, is due to the artist.

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Сообщение от L-ana64110

Artist and gallery owners share one goal is to earn money, how honestly and competently, each performs its obyazatelsta-is a great question, unfortunately. In my practice it is arduous to encounter dishonesty as the one hand, and on the other. For example: working with the gallery owner, artist and puts him in their capabilities, how can sell, and the artist "the corner" starts to sell already "running" m, e repeated at smaller and cheaper, it is clear that this is not the prospects for the gallery owner. Another example gallerist quietly making prints of their best selling artist of course cost a little more traffic and, in fact not be an artist to monitor the activities of its curator, his work a lot,,,
Therefore, to find "her" from both sides is a great success for both parties. And about the "work table" - for me, this is unprofessional attitude to work, amateurism, hobbies,,,
I'm hanging on the wall just something that I very dear to me as I leave things like the memory of the past years, events, and so for 30 years with thousands of sold works, including the schedule and bookings, I think with any professional, no less sold work.

Paul, about how disgusting that no one says, if we just issue is unacceptable, it is clear that nothing good will fail,,, I like the thematic orders, they do not infringe on the artist. And as you?

No, I do, probably because the performance of the customer constantly intervenes, and things do not get it. There is complete freedom, because we have everyone with the money finds himself ...

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Сообщение от Shazina

Conflict of interest in the artist and gallery owner not .......


Most importantly for gallerist, uncomplicated advertising and fashion eye, impeccable taste, intuition, the ability to their own opinion ... Gallery owner, rather vocation or way of life, great responsibility, as a profession ....

..... Dealer profession .....


Gallery owner forms a collection suit shows, set prices, like the difference between the requested price and the actual (asking and retail price), in which case the dealer knows what and whom to invite and how much he receives for his labor and communications.

I see in this scheme even more space and more parties to a conflict of interest.

Firstly who pays the "vocation and lifestyle gallerist? What he draws the very existence of the gallery? Sponsors? artist? dealer? final customer?
If this does not sponsor or support and no money from another pocket "- I do not see the viability of the idea.
The artist has no money, the dealer, as a businessman in a pure form seeks to minimize costs, the average end-customer in Russia's great not rich and not willing to pay for another link.

I do not know. I have seen here is evil gallerist desire to shift responsibility for sales to the dealer.
Maybe I sell enough. But this is just my answer to the artist and the client and for its taste and the real value of the goods. And get paid for that very reason (I have two in one, who went for their work and both of them in pure form - and the curator-selector otsenschikomi bezgalereynym dealer).

[artcol]

Сообщение от Pavel

natural desire to become a wealthy merchant, now at the expense of the artist.

Add here also the artist's natural desire to become rich is through his art buyers, as well as the natural desire of customers to be as short as possible to the poor now because of something that he buys art artist who wants to be rich now, at his expense.