How to unleash the artist - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Артём · 11-03-2010, 01:13

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Originally Posted by Buscador

R has long been a thing of the question - how to earn a hudozhnie? And how strange it is taken away there hudozhnii. They can not accept that someone is "enriched" in their work ... But the question is that people involved in the artists and their creations, receive for their labor, not the work of the artist. And at every stage of this work is paid. The stronger the manager, the higher the fees.

I only! Artists nemerenno, but a good manager or dealer, the day the fire will not find! A good manager - a medal on the chest of the artist!

L-ana64110 · 11-03-2010, 11:53

It is interesting that now "in fashion" from the modern? poured in? in the genre?

Naive? Sur? Nude? All kinds of abstraction? Or all in one pot?

I wonder whether the artist to display modern or easier to go into "your world"?
I wonder now live?

L-ana64110 · 11-03-2010, 19:58

So I'm not myself! I just want opinions. I will only write that the most interesting, on the other has not, even I do not take orders, nerves are not those already

Rolled Sivko steep hill

The truth is when heavily denyushek still want to write huge roses on a huge canvas, but always in different ways - super option is always for sale!

tiffany · 11-03-2010, 20:01

On the one hand, if the artist would write what dictates the art dealer, because it is effectively for sale - this is the market. If the artist likes to write a story in a style all my life - this is normal. This is not conjuncture. This creativity. If you like one style or the other - this is also normal. Freedom - the basis for creativity.
On the other hand, the approach is "like /dislike" is not associated with the approach of really professional people. These are my subjective associations. Perhaps it can be called by another word. And all at once will sound nice?

spigo · 13-03-2010, 23:52

Continuing in my diary.

Евгений · 14-03-2010, 07:34

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Originally Posted by tiffany

On the one hand, if the artist would write what dictates the art dealer, because it is effectively for sale - this is the market. If the artist likes to write a story in a style all my life - this is normal. This is not conjuncture. This creativity. If you like one style or the other - this is also normal. Freedom - the basis for creativity.

All this is understandable, but as a live artist, if he would write only what he likes, but it is 90%of products on the table .. How will he feed his family, he would simply exist in this world?
Art dealers, gallery owners, they do not dictate an artist than he does and how to write (he is without them, well knows), the problem: in conjunction with gallery owners
make a commercial artist's work (in a good sense of the word) .. the money is the independence of the artist, is an opportunity to do what he wants with a family, be psychologically stable in this easy, modern life .. Artem wrote somewhere: ". . good gallery owners (who find it possible to engage in creativity of the artist) is a medal for the artist .. " totally agree ..
The successful tandem of artist-gallerist (art dealer, collector)-only road to success .. everything else is a waste of time for the artist (if it is self-promoting themselves).

Причал · 14-03-2010, 08:27

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Originally Posted by Eugene

All right, this is reality .. So we have to live ..

Okay.
That is how we must live artist, Ask a question /matter and he sends it inside or outside /"what to do to sell it?"

Objective need for artists such issue is not specified, that is, to impose their aesthetics of the viewer, the buyer, intermediary, massive artist - far from insignificant.
They live by the laws of another questioning.
And here we are with them do not meet.

Pavel · 14-03-2010, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Berth

I agree.
That is how we must live artist, Ask a question /matter and he sends it inside or outside /"what to do to sell it?"

Objective need for artists such issue is not specified, that is, to impose their aesthetics of the viewer, the buyer, intermediary, massive artist - far from insignificant.
They live by the laws of another questioning.
And here we are with them do not meet.

What if I need to sell everyone knows, but it is disgusting.

You know it was such artists and make art and that they have invested, it was such artists buying Shchukin and Morozov, imnenno makie artists bring the name and money holders.

Причал · 14-03-2010, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Pavel

You know it was such artists and make art and that they have invested, it was such artists buying Shchukin and Morozov, imnenno makie artists bring the name and money holders.

And now it is in such and invested.

Шазина · 14-03-2010, 09:41

All this is understandable, but as a live artist, if he would write only what he likes, but it is 90%of products on the table .. How will he feed his family, he would simply exist in this world?
Art dealers, gallery owners, they do not dictate an artist than he does and how to write (he is without them, well knows), the problem: in conjunction with gallery owners to make a commercial artist's work (in a good sense of the word) ..

In confirmation of the correctness of reasoning Eugene.
Conflict of interest in the artist and the curator there, if people are serious about their delu.Diktovat the artist as a write-impossible and wrong, we must look for ways to attract vnimaniya.T.e. create imya.Dalee is a joint work of the artist and gallery owner, may be interested dealers and kollektsionerov.Na my mind confusion of what should be a gallery owner and dealer, often complicate the process of internationalization of artistic product rynok.Otchasti because on the surface looks like - "two in one".
Most importantly for gallerist, uncomplicated advertising and fashion eye, impeccable taste, intuition, the ability to their own opinion ... Gallery owner, rather vocation or way of life, great responsibility, than a profession. Dealer profession-that-be to learn better not only in Russia, at the same time overgrown necessary linkages with auction houses, collectors, colleagues, etc.
Gallery owner forms a collection suit shows, set prices, like the difference between the requested price and the actual (asking and retail price), in which case the dealer knows what and whom to invite and how much he receives for his labor and communications.
To be honest about it and write, and tedious to read, we need specific examples, it is better from my own real zhizni.Budet convincing.
I'm on this topic workshops in the City class in Moscow.

11-03-2010, 11:53	Original language: Russian #2
L-ana64110 Бывалый Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: World Posts: 449 Thanks: 1,942 Thanked 828 Times in 296 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Reputation: 1614	It is interesting that now "in fashion" from the modern? poured in? in the genre? Naive? Sur? Nude? All kinds of abstraction? Or all in one pot? I wonder whether the artist to display modern or easier to go into "your world"? I wonder now live? __________________ www.facebook.com/svetlana.sokolovskaya www.saatchiart.com/svetlan

11-03-2010, 19:58	Original language: Russian #3
L-ana64110 Бывалый Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: World Posts: 449 Thanks: 1,942 Thanked 828 Times in 296 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Reputation: 1614	So I'm not myself! I just want opinions. I will only write that the most interesting, on the other has not, even I do not take orders, nerves are not those already Rolled Sivko steep hill The truth is when heavily denyushek still want to write huge roses on a huge canvas, but always in different ways - super option is always for sale! __________________ www.facebook.com/svetlana.sokolovskaya www.saatchiart.com/svetlan

13-03-2010, 23:52	Original language: Russian #5
spigo Гуру Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,724 Thanks: 5,561 Thanked 3,146 Times in 677 Posts Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 5978	As Supplies .... artist. Artist on the "zone" or 32 th May .. Part 5 Continuing in my diary.

14-03-2010, 09:41	Original language: Russian #10
Шазина Новичок Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Москва Posts: 26 Thanks: 15 Thanked 56 Times in 12 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Reputation: 88	Gallery owner and dealer All this is understandable, but as a live artist, if he would write only what he likes, but it is 90%of products on the table .. How will he feed his family, he would simply exist in this world? Art dealers, gallery owners, they do not dictate an artist than he does and how to write (he is without them, well knows), the problem: in conjunction with gallery owners to make a commercial artist's work (in a good sense of the word) .. In confirmation of the correctness of reasoning Eugene. Conflict of interest in the artist and the curator there, if people are serious about their delu.Diktovat the artist as a write-impossible and wrong, we must look for ways to attract vnimaniya.T.e. create imya.Dalee is a joint work of the artist and gallery owner, may be interested dealers and kollektsionerov.Na my mind confusion of what should be a gallery owner and dealer, often complicate the process of internationalization of artistic product rynok.Otchasti because on the surface looks like - "two in one". Most importantly for gallerist, uncomplicated advertising and fashion eye, impeccable taste, intuition, the ability to their own opinion ... Gallery owner, rather vocation or way of life, great responsibility, than a profession. Dealer profession-that-be to learn better not only in Russia, at the same time overgrown necessary linkages with auction houses, collectors, colleagues, etc. Gallery owner forms a collection suit shows, set prices, like the difference between the requested price and the actual (asking and retail price), in which case the dealer knows what and whom to invite and how much he receives for his labor and communications. To be honest about it and write, and tedious to read, we need specific examples, it is better from my own real zhizni.Budet convincing. I'm on this topic workshops in the City class in Moscow.

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11-03-2010, 20:01	Original language: Russian #4
tiffany Новичок Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 17 Thanks: 48 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts Reputation: 12	On the one hand, if the artist would write what dictates the art dealer, because it is effectively for sale - this is the market. If the artist likes to write a story in a style all my life - this is normal. This is not conjuncture. This creativity. If you like one style or the other - this is also normal. Freedom - the basis for creativity. On the other hand, the approach is "like /dislike" is not associated with the approach of really professional people. These are my subjective associations. Perhaps it can be called by another word. And all at once will sound nice?