Is it possible to create and develop the art market without kommodifikatsii art?

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Сообщение от Marta

Yes, earlier in our galleries in practice to drop the price, not placing a known artist. Even now, there is one such gallery, which may surprise so. Wildness, of course, but very few buyers, and hence the methods - not to miss!

And, now understood.
We also have only one.
And it all quite funny - come to them artists, people engaged in them there A gallery-wide issues explains that they had improperly low prices and have raised. Well, they put a little more. And then the lady actually engaged in selling price decreases (up to reality, and sometimes even higher than it would have sold elsewhere) and often the authors notifies a post-factum .
As a result, are not happy with it all:
"Politician" picture - a violation of his instructions.
Queen - the fact that it sells, and it alone assaults from all sides.
And the artist - because he got less than he could, but more than he wanted.

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Сообщение от Veronic

And now you can imagine a situation that the gallery owner does not own the full information on prices of artist's paintings. Today the price alone, but tomorrow rose. The artist held exhibitions, including international. And gallery owners think that the artist is still worth 300 dollars.
We had such, so I speak from personal experience. Even after the demonstration galeristke facts on more expensive sales, she chose to stay with her opinion. Naturally we do not work with this gallery, and nothing at the same time not lose.

Citizens of Karl Marx in the issue of pricing yet no one managed to cancel .
And according to Karl Marx - "price - a product of non-resistance to the parties."
And, as gallery owners can not force you to sell paintings cheaper, and you can not gallery owners to take them more expensive.
In his gallery when he decides that to his advantage, and what is not. He can not take your work for you are willing to price. It may take, but did not recommend (passively or actively) to its customers. And you can decide that cooperation is necessary or not.
And sales in other cities or countries, I personally was not convinced of anything. I have pictures in their region to trade. And your right to sell them there where profitable to you.
So what argument I do not understand.

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от Veronic

The artist held exhibitions, including international. And gallery owners think that the artist is still worth 300 dollars.
We had such, so I speak from personal experience. Even after the demonstration galeristke facts on more expensive sales, she chose to stay with her opinion. Naturally we do not work with this gallery, and nothing at the same time not lose

You know, there is a problem in our market, more precisely in his absence. After all, in fact, any gallery owner interested in (as it is not strange) in higher prices. The higher the price, the greater interest of the galereista. The whole question is that whether we accept the proposed market prices? Let me give you an example from my own experience. Several years ago I started selling single artist in the United States. Price of his works ranged 6000-8000 USD. While we have a cost of 1500-2000 USD. And the growth rates driven by the needs of our market only, ie the volume of sales here and not there.

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Сообщение от Berth

A sale in other cities or countries, I personally was not convinced of anything. I have pictures in their region to trade. And your right to sell them there where profitable to you.
So what argument I do not understand.

I always thought that an artist should be known not only in his hometown. And if it sells well in other countries is revealing.
In general, there is no dispute, I'm just telling you how it is in different situations.

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Сообщение от Veronic

And if it sells well in other countries is revealing.

No.
This in itself is not significant. For the province - clearly not significant. For me it is not talking about an artist's works, but only that he committed a series of activism in their promotion.
value of this list do not matter to me does not. Perhaps a little more than my opinion is delayed for a very prestigious field.

When an artist begins to persistently explain to me that he appreciated there somewhere and there is - I refer back and then and there and then. Easy.

[Veronic]

Well, then a counter-question. And what you are telling the buyers of paintings about the artist?

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Сообщение от Veronic

Well, then a counter-question. And what you are telling the buyers of paintings about the artist?

No specific recipe - different clients of one artist represented differently.
Various artists one customer - too differently.
Often, the pictures of the new client for the artist said the overall level of work in the gallery.
All the talk about the objective strengths of the artist. On its peculiarities. Will bring in not insulting to the artist parallels the history of art.
Talk a lot about the technique, including a general campaign against illiteracy in the printed schedule for example.

Since many years working with the same clients - are more likely to talk about specific new series and films, and not about the artists. On the exciting changes in his style.

Very rarely, and always after the fact (after purchase) request written information about the artist. Typically, after their guests start asking questions.

If the goal - only dekoratorstvo - then and recommendations based on the tasks.



Yes, I forgot to add - 90 percent of my clients collectors. With them I is easier and more enjoyable.

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Сообщение от Berth

When an artist begins to persistently explain to me that he appreciated there somewhere and there is - I refer back and then and there and then.

It even the local public annoying: "And that is where the exhibit? Then sold it for such a fortune ..."

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Сообщение от Berth

Everyone will tell ...

Just now I read your message and remembered that sometimes the buyer actually has to read the whole lecture.
And if the thing sold old, the artist had in history, then here it without the review of the period can not get away, have the author in the context of the show.
So listen and then after that rewarding: "Traders!"

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And if the thing sold old, the artist had in history, then here it without the review of the period can not get away, have the author in the context of the show.

And if the "middle-old" at the same time about all the axiological system of art of the time of creation.
Then talk about "membership", "nation-deserved," as tsenoobrazovatelnyh things not to do. And all this for the directions in the art (for academics - one for non-conformists - the other values for the avant-garde - the third). For example a zero impact on the value of the artist of his membership in the Union received after godika That way with the 95 th. As well as the presence-absence of influence of the membership and honored for the non-conformists. "My" /customers willingly listen.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I read your message and remembered that sometimes the buyer actually has to read the whole lecture.

The work you do is this: "Do not tell, not sell!"

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

You know, there is a problem in our market, more precisely in his absence. After all, in fact, any gallery owner interested in (as it is not strange) in higher prices. The higher the price, the greater interest of the galereista. The whole question is that whether we accept the proposed market prices? Let me give you an example from my own experience. Several years ago I started selling single artist in the United States. Price of his works ranged 6000-8000 USD. While we have a cost of 1500-2000 USD. And the growth rates driven by the needs of our market only, ie the volume of sales here and not there. What can I do if the owners of capital, many believe that the artist - usually by the manufacturer, and the domestic manufacturer shall not receive many. This, of course, exaggerated, but so is encountered. Therefore, since nazyvaeiye "fashionable artists" are more expensive ...

I think it still is that in America, buying now confident that they can sell it and possibly more expensive.
We Gelos conducts many auctions? 3-4 per week and for all, and the same Drouot only one house has 15 rooms and holds them in the auctions in a day or day of show-day auction of the collection, and what sells. Anyone can come and buy. Yatam was.
Therefore, in the prevailing tsenoopredeleniya auction such a difference. Some work with a hammer, and there on Computers.