Is it possible to create and develop the art market without kommodifikatsii art?

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Pavel

Plexiglas used Hockney

Why: for "glazed" or for something else?

[Pavel]

It is hard to describe. Overlooking figure nose in the glass. Look at his site.

[AlexanderG]

Sozdanie art rynka bez kommodifikatsii predmetov iskusstv ne vozmozno!

[Pavel]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Sozdanie art rynka bez kommodifikatsii predmetov iskusstv ne vozmozno!

Question postavvlen not correct. Creation of art are works of art. The higher their artistic value the higher the cost. The problem is more in how to determine the real value. So-artistic value is determined gradually through a comparison with other works. Here such criteria as the expressiveness, originality, etc. The material value associated with the artistic value and is determined in the money. Since the artistic value of the thing is not unique and difficult to determine in the first period, all possible options for example Shchukin, when intuitively acquiring a masterpiece. Needed for this situation for the emergence of masterpieces. I mean cheap. Buy now - is the best way to avoid inflation, because it can be sold to return money in the currency.
If something is done in advance for a certain amount, it's not art, craft, and I was not interested.
Art determine what is art is art history.
In any case, the value is determined only at auctions, because that is where most people gather cleared. But these people can negotiate and manipulate prices. This is possible only mild interval, until these things do not try to sell. Therefore we must focus on many auctions. Conclusion auctions should be a lot.

[AlexanderG]

Perechityval temu i zadumalsia, a davaite smodeliruem hudoznika vne rynka.

Naprimer: bol'shoe nasledstvo, mozno nichego ne prodavat ', udachnyi brak - mozno nichego ne prodavat', zizn 'v pustyne, s zemli - mozno nichego ne prodavat'.

Prosto pofantaziruem
Kakie perspektivy u dannogo tipa hudoznika i ego rabot?

[Причал]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Naprimer: bol'shoe nasledstvo, mozno nichego ne prodavat ', udachnyi brak - mozno nichego ne prodavat', zizn 'v pustyne, s zemli - mozno nichego ne prodavat'.

Prosto pofantaziruem
Kakie perspektivy u dannogo tipa hudoznika i ego rabot?

For my fantasies too little input data.

Different people behave in any situation differently.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Perechityval temu i zadumalsia, a davaite smodeliruem hudoznika vne rynka.

Naprimer: bol'shoe nasledstvo, mozno nichego ne prodavat ', udachnyi brak - mozno nichego ne prodavat', zizn 'v pustyne, s zemli - mozno nichego ne prodavat'.

Prosto pofantaziruem
Kakie perspektivy u dannogo tipa hudoznika i ego rabot?

Alexander! It is practically impossible, because the richer a person the more he has relatives, and when he dies does not divide the property and money. Even misrepresented the case when the paintings are not sold, they are still rostut in price, so sooner or later paintings come up for auction. Known story of the rise Utrillo, when he died Octave Mirbeau and his collection went under the hammer on Utrillo nobody knew, and he threw pencils. When prices rose above par with Montmartre dare all of Utrillo and prices gradually soared to the heavens. Prices soared at the Drouot auction.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Berth

Different people behave in any situation differently.

Soglasen, poetomu i predlagaiu smodelirovat 'situatsiiu.

Ishodnaia model ':

Hudoznik, kotoryi ne prodaiot kartiny - dostatochno aktivnyi (skazem 3000 kartin uze est ', i on eschio ne sovsem staryi) - v raskrutke ne zainteresovan.

1. Chto mozet sluchit'sia s ego kartinami
2. Uznaet li publika o ego tvorchestve
3. Chem budut zanimat'sia nasledniki
4. Kakov otdalionnyi prognoz
5. Dlia chego on eto delaet
6. Dal'neishaia sud'ba ego trudov

Nu i tak dalee. Ia ponimaiu, chto situatsiia gipoteticheskaia i hochu etu temu razvit 's tsel'iu pokazat' vzaimozavisimost 'sobytii i konechnogo rezul'tata.

K sozaleniiu my (uchastniki foruma) do sih por prakticheski ne prishli k edinoi terminologii i opredeleniiu fundamentalnyh kategorii.

Inogda ia dumaiu, chto etim zanimat'sia ne hochetsia, no poskol'ku schitaiu eto vaznym, nachinaiu lomat 'kop'ia vnov' i vnov '.

[Причал]

I do not understand.
 Prior to the receipt of an inheritance from the artist's paintings is a 3000 - so it's something to sell, that is, the market was included. Otherwise, what would it all these years he lived and bought the materials?
Why is not interested in promotion if the "not yet quite old? Everybody wants more.

He can spend just on the legacy of its business, as an active (investment in advertising, exhibitions, etc.).
 And passive - to raise prices and dwell in the inheritance. Selling some little time, and expensive to keep prices in order to get more expensive in terms of artists. Maybe forever stay with small sales for a lot of money if overestimated himself.

Maybe "go in the quest, even in another kind of art.

In "Tibet" may file . "You think of him?", Which departs from the creativity at all? I can hardly imagine the artist who wrote a 3000 pictures and suddenly completely stop working on. This, in my opinion a good craftsman. Often - female

Added after 26 minutes
However, I believe that all the artists included in the Art Market.
Even those who earn their living by teaching, for example.
Just in this case, the teacher of drawing art school number 154 Vasil Petrovich Ivanov - sponsored artist Vasily Petrovich Ivanov. Sometimes even the teacher Ivanov takes pictures of the artist Ivanov with a view to their placing on the market

[AlexanderG]

Prichal

Vot i ia ne mogu sebe, daze chisto gipoteticheski, predstavit 'hudoznika vne rynka. Smysl teriaetsia.