What distinguishes the true artist from not present?

[iside]

AlexanderG, now sat looking through pictures and less well-known artists on the internet and I lit up this idea. Probably all a matter of intention.

This artist creating a painting - trying to create a masterpiece (though he does not speak of it as a masterpiece) and at the end he wants to show - to show more people to hear their opinion, but the secondary has already been sold to whom, when and for how much can option and donate. Not a true artist in this case has not yet begun to paint already thought to represent a sell, but after trying to sell faster and more expensive. That in itself, of course, can not be condemned, but probably just a difference in intent and plays a crucial role.

Well ?

[DSF]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

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Segodnia my znaem art, kotoryi sohranilsia v vekah - chto by emu sohranit'sia v vekah, kto-to dolzen za nim smotret 'i sohraniat' - eto byli vladel'tsy arta /kollektsionery - sledovatel'no, sohranilsia art kollektsionnyi - sledovatel'no, kollektsionery, a ne hudozniki donesli etot art do nas - ostal'noi art ne sohranilsia

Well, not only collectors, but in the first place - the church, then - the aristocracy, and then - collectors. But we're not talking about who and how to retain the art, and its objective assessment. Naturally, the assessment of art, which has survived. What is not preserved impossible to assess, or sell.

K schast'iu ia horosho obrazovan v obeih oblastiah, chto daiot mne vozmoznost 'imet' sobstvennoe mnenie.

Glad for you, AlexanderG, but we're not talking about you personally.

The artist, like any other professional who strives to earn the respect of his work above all his colleagues, not only contemporaries, but also for future generations .--
Eto predpolozenie, v kotorom ia sovsem ne uveren.

 You want to say that the good doctor, for example, do not try to win the respect of his colleagues? Or do not want to contribute to the development of medical science, which will be appreciated by the medical community?
Once again I want to return to his thoughts. Evaluate the work of a specialist in any field can only specialists in the same area. And for greater objectivity requires a certain period of time. Artists - is no exception.

[Артём]

Сообщение от iside

Well?

Poor .....

[Евгений]

Сообщение от iside

This artist creating a painting - trying to create a masterpiece (though he does not speak of it as a masterpiece) and at the end he wants to show - to show more people to hear their opinion, but the secondary is already sold whom, when and for how much, can option and donate. Not a true artist in this case has not yet begun to paint already thought to represent a sell, but after trying to sell faster and more expensive. That in itself, of course, can not be condemned, but probably just a difference in intent and plays a crucial role.
Well?

Nonsense .. You always write interesting comments, but here kindergarten ..

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от DSF

Once again I want to return to his thoughts. evaluate the work of a specialist in any field can only specialists in the same area. And for greater objectivity requires a certain period of time. Artists - is no exception.

It was a very positive feature of Arts Councils and vystavkomov if tilt the ideological side, of course.
Therefore, the large collective exhibitions can be seen clearly professional work.

[iside]

Сообщение от Eugene

Dear iside, you always write interesting comments, but here kindergarten ..

Thank you, Eugene I'm trying to understand. I think my statement koerentno with the idea of DSF

Сообщение от DSF

evaluate the work of a specialist in any field can only specialists in the same area.

and exhibitions and participating in competitions for the artist's important to get adequate, critical evaluation of its activities not only from public but also from experts. When I was writing my post, I also thought that many of the artists present at the Forum aims to get publicity and sell more expensive, and participation in exhibitions do not even think to say a priori that it is expensive, there are all his, and so d. I just do not know how the situation in Russia with the case situation is that really so hard for beginners all the artists?

Eugene, please, please, as you can see the artist ?

[kozhinart]

Yes, in Russia for beginners artists tyazhelo.Eto my mnenie.Net division of exhibitions, festivals, fairs status, and costs for the organization of their uchastie.I stradaet.Pod Organisasi mean the implementation of several obyazatelst offered for a fee organizatorami.No and artists often behave stranno.Za overseas organizers spend a lot of educational work with hudozhnikami.chtoby success of the project that is expected to receive rezultat.Zdes sometimes took the money, or if it's free - and poporobuy achieve what promised.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

iside, normally you have written.
I "kindergarten" is not seen. Simply written, plain language, without science-like flourishes and nauseating psevdoiskusstvovedcheskoy "water" ...
in which she has already ...(holding a fingernail of the thumb to the throat just below the chin). <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от kozhinart

Abroad organizers spend a lot of educational work with hudozhnikami.chtoby success of the project, ie to get the expected result.

I s publikoi, is gosudarstvom, i so sponsorami, is pressoi itd

[Артём]

Сообщение от iside

This artist creating a painting - trying to create a masterpiece (though he does not speak of it as a masterpiece) and at the end he wants to show - to show more people to hear their opinion, but the secondary is already sold whom, when and for how much, can option and donate. Not a true artist in this case has not yet begun to paint already thought to represent a sell, but after trying to sell faster and more expensive. That in itself, of course, can not be condemned, but probably just a difference in intent and plays a crucial role.

This artist does not think about creating a masterpiece. He was the main thing to be at odds with itself, with its conscience, its soul. The real artist is a middle way. Exhibitions, sales - is secondary. And even more so - the views, criticism of it can hurt, it is useful for beginning artists. As far as I know the artists, critics, whatever it was good or bad, or the artist plunged into a deep depression, or throw him in his own way, forced himself to ask unnecessary questions and making unwanted replies. Answer all the impossible - it leads to emptiness. A true artist must be solid-filled personality.