Help with attribution and evaluation of the sketch

[дворникТ]

Good day. Sorry that first post after registering immediately for assistance.

  Helped to identify with the artistic and the market value of the thumbnail pictures Ribera. Oil on canvas, size 450 * 360. The work is very beautiful, good condition. No signature, on a stretcher, traces of the destruction of 3 lines of a text. On the back of the preserved piece of wax seal "Imperial Hermitage is located partly on a stretcher, partly on the canvas.

  As a family legend that picture long ago beat someone in card scampish grandfather, shame on the family, love of life and rake. Recently, after the death of his grandfather, she inherited inherited my friend. He argues that 5 years ago saw that the wax seal of the Hermitage was a full-size.

 Your opinion?

[Amateur]

Сообщение от dvornikT

wax stamp Hermitage

In this case, you best go to the Hermitage.

However ... stretcher old, but years 100 - 120 (in any variant not XVII century). The caption with it scraped recently: the tree is not oxidized. Canvas - as if made yesterday. Modern copy, stretched on an old stretcher ...

[dimurus]

Сообщение от Amateur

In this case, you best go to the Hermitage.

However ... stretcher old, but years 100 - 120 (in any variant not XVII century). The caption with it scraped recently: the tree is not oxidized. Canvas - as if made yesterday. Modern copy, stretched on an old stretcher ...

Canvas is really fresh, but it is lining canvases, though not seeing the edges approve nelzya.Pravda stretched it too casually for the restorer.
Concerning the price-that's the latest sale at Sotheby Ribera PROPERTY FROM A PRIVATE COLLECTION
JUSEPE DE RIBERA, CALLED LO SPAGNOLETTO
JÁTIVA, VALENCIA 1591 - 1652 NAPLES
SAINT ONOPHRIUS

400,000-600,000 USD
Lot Sold. Hammer Price with Buyer's Premium: 1,426,500 USD to stream to orient in price look here http://browse.sothebys.com/?sla=1&sl...h=-1&year_high =- 1 & woi = & office =* & sale_title = & sale_id = & lot_id = & dp = Old + Master + Paintings & count = 50 & v = l & slasort = 0 & search = +
In any case, the name of a level one-way to the Hermitage

[дворникТ]

Сообщение от Amateur

In this case, you best go to the Hermitage.

 Thank you for your prompt response. And not prompt the most optimal way for my case to apply to the Hermitage?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от dvornikT

And do not prompt the most optimal way for my case to apply to the Hermitage?

And you are in the GE call and tell us about print ermitazhevskuyu and ask: "Are you from stolen it from the Hermitage with me?" Leave your home address must be the subject of a drive up ...
Do not forget to copy the Protocol to withdraw himself to leave, then it will walk around the office, pick up a masterpiece is finished with "attribution and evaluation.

[usynin2]

Сообщение от dimurus

Canvas is really fresh, but it is lining canvases, though not seeing the edges approve nelzya.Pravda stretched it too casually for the restorer.

And the painting of that time could well survive without a single cracelures?

[Сергей Кит]

Сообщение от dvornikT

beat someone in card scampish grandfather

Why bad egg, if won ?

[dimurus]

Сообщение от usynin2

and paintings of that time could well survive without a single cracelures?

could not in principle, but the photos often do not make out fine reticular craquelure paint layer, especially on dark backgrounds, the work may be duplicated, and therefore krakeler stowed in strengthening, and finally 17vek-vertex painting technology, and many works of that time look better than the early work. 20 century

[usynin2]

Сообщение от Sergei Keith

Why is it bad egg, if you won?

And certainly win or at Nicholas II, or the members of the royal family, so the picture and has the stamp of the Hermitage!

[мистер-у]

Сообщение от usynin2

And certainly win or Nikolai II, or the members of the royal family, so the picture and has the stamp of the Hermitage!

In Buru, or Trynku Point ?