Vladimir Ovcharenko of the market of contemporary art in Russia

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AlexanderG, but agree that if you really have an opinion that galleries and artists to interfere with the market to develop, immediately directing them to sell, mentally agree with that and ask "And what an artist is working?" You can only submit to museums or really any gallery name, by type of Glazunov, Shilov, or really just anecdotal gallery

Сообщение от observer

The world-renowned artist Ivan Slavinsky.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

AlexanderG if you really have an opinion that galleries and artists to develop the market prevent,

Imenno eto utverzdenie ia i stavliu pod somnenie.

Eto dlia menia vosprinimaetsia, kak patsienty i bol'nitsy meshaiut vracham razvivat'sia, ili ucheniki i shkoly ne daiut vozmoznosti uchiteliam razvivat'sia.

Hudoznik rabotaet vo-pervyh, chto by sebia prokormit ', esli on professional. Muzei i vechnost 'prihodiat pozze. I, kak my znaem, daleko ne ko vsem.

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World-renowned artist Ivan Slavinsky.

Opiat 'vsio propustil !!!

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Opiat 'vsio propustil!!!

Make up, read here:
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...051#post858051
and look here:
http://www.ivan-slavinsky.com/

[Peter]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Hudoznik rabotaet vo-pervyh, chto by sebia prokormit ', esli on professional. Muzei i vechnost 'prihodiat pozze. I, kak my znaem, daleko ne ko vsem

The artist wrote because it can not pisat.Eto his way of knowledge, the picture-method and the object of his prlozheniya sil.Konechnaya goal of artist comprehension garmonii.Konechnaya goal-wall paintings, the museum or chastnaya.Vozmozhny intermediate stages of course.

[Posav]

Сообщение от Peter

Artist wrote because it can not pisat.Eto his path of knowledge, the picture-method and the object of his prlozheniya sil.Konechnaya goal of artist comprehension garmonii.Konechnaya goal-wall paintings, the museum or chastnaya.Vozmozhny intermediate stages of the course.

It is the right word, but I would add that not a wall of the museum, but in modern conditions is now more important than the presence, life paintings in the media space.

[Peter]

Сообщение от Posav

very true, but I would add that not a wall of the museum, but in modern conditions is now more important than the presence, life paintings in media space.

In the media space live ghosts pictures (unfortunately).

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Peter

Artist wrote because it can not not write.

Sovershenno ne soglasen s etim utverzdeniem. Eto lirika, eto ne ob'ektivnaia real'nost '.

This is his way of knowledge, the picture-method and the object prlozheniya its forces.

Chuzoi put 'nikomu ne nuzen.

The ultimate goal of artist-grasp of harmony.

A eto iz serii voprosov o smysle zizni.

The ultimate goal of a wall-paintings, museum or chastnaya.Vozmozhny milestones course.

Ne vidite zdes' protivorechiia?

Ne mozet ne pisat ', no s konechnoi tsel'iu muzei, kollektsiia? Ha-ha!

[LCR]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

A esli rabotaiut dlia muzeev, to pust 'ih muzei ih soderzat, a zarplatu vydadut v vechnosti

Artists, unlike, say, a railroad, or long-distance truck drivers, or employees of the Ministry of Finance, teachers, nurses, scavengers do not like strikes, so they have added or increased salary pension. They, unlike workers, do not delay for a few days of top management of the plant where he worked to avoid layoffs (I'm talking about Western Europe). But the taxes they pay, like all other citizens - and generally, no, not all: there are a number of citizens who do not pay taxes - international functionaries, for example.

The artist, unlike banks or insurance companies (many payments can not be carried in cash, many insurance kotnrakty are required), has been unable to get anyone to buy his work, the customer always does so solely at their request.

Galleries, artists paying regular monthly maintenance, maybe 1%, if not less. On what kind of salary you say?

Galleries do not feed the artists. Rather, it is fed by the artists gallery. Personally I have never heard of an artist whose gallery has a very young and immediately placed her on a salary. Before the fall in the gallery - if he was lucky - the artist is already a decent segment of its path, and he does it all alone. And if at some stage some sort of gallery invites him to cooperate, then she sees the possibility of obtaining this benefit. This is perfectly normal, but be proud of here, too, nothing gallerist.

No doubt, the artist - real - does not work in order to feed themselves. No doubt, he is working for themselves, peers and for eternity.

"Art is paving another path that leads to eternal life" - wrote Franz Marc - lucky me with the quote, just cook it on a plot

And another quote: "Inspiration is not for sale, but you can sell a manuscript, you know?

[AlexanderG]

A est 'eschio odna tsitata: Ne sotvori sebe kumira !

A davaite podumaem, esli predlozit 'hudoznikam, skazem, $ 250,000 do kontsa zizni za to, chto by oni voobsche bol'she ne krasili, skol'ko iz nih soglasiatsia na eto? Hudoznikov, kotorye poluchaiut bol'she, ne uchityvaem, ih ochen 'malo.

A esli $ 500,000? Dumaiu ostanetsia sovsem nebol'shaia gruppa.
Eto ia k tomu, chto ne nado idealizirovat 'hudoznikov, iz obschego chisla rabotaiuschih segodni, ne mogut ne pisat' edinitsy.

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Eto tak ze otnositsia k voprosu o tom, kogo schitat 'hudoznikom.

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Сообщение от LCR

No doubt, the artist - real - does not work in order to feed themselves. No doubt, he is working for themselves, peers and for eternity.

Kogda my govorim o rynke, eti kategorii ne rabotaiut.

Eschi v samom nachale diskussii, ia predlagal razdelit 'estetiku, chuvstva i rynochnye otnosheniia.

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Сообщение от LCR

Galleries do not feed the artists. Rather, it is fed by the artists gallery.

A eto, kak spor o iaitsah i kuritsah

[LCR]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

A est 'eschio odna tsitata: Ne sotvori sebe kumira!

Okay, then so: Caesar - Caesar and God - God. OK?

Сообщение от AlexanderG

A davaite podumaem, esli predlozit 'hudoznikam, skazem, $ 250,000 do kontsa zizni za to, chto by oni voobsche bol'she ne krasili, skol'ko iz nih soglasiatsia na eto? Hudoznikov, kotorye poluchaiut bol'she, ne uchityvaem, ih ochen 'malo.

A esli $ 500,000? Dumaiu ostanetsia sovsem nebol'shaia gruppa.
Eto ia k tomu, chto ne nado idealizirovat 'hudoznikov, iz obschego chisla rabotaiuschih segodni, ne mogut ne pisat' edinitsy.

I can list you many, many artists, who would it never went - when you want, you just whistle

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Kogda my govorim o rynke, eti kategorii ne rabotaiut.

Work. Because it is the paintings of such artists and appear in museums, they are more expensive than others and bring gallerist maximum profit.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

A eto, kak spor o iaitsah i kuritsah

No. First - produce, then - the seller.