The buyer and the artist: Ritual purchase

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Seriy

today met with the amazing and fascinating buyers
me very much supported and filled with positive energy (besides money).

We meet at the station in their car. Not my first sale, I hope, and not the last. In this raises the question-and how to be an artist to communicate with the buyer? whether the rules, ritual. I understand that everything depends on the amount of the transaction and all the same ..:

1. Does the artist provide a meeting place, workshop (and if no?), In the apartment (and it is convenient to all?), In the gallery (and who will pay for services gallery ?)...
2. To what amount of the transaction can meet in the subway (the subway, in the car)?
3. Should a meeting occur inevitably during the day? In order that the buyer had no doubt that the next morning the picture will get other colors in the daylight? And if the buyer comfortable night?
4. Should an artist and as a packed schedule on paper? canvas on a stretcher? Cardboard?
5. Since some amount of the transaction is to issue a certificate of authenticity to the picture?
6. What amounts should be a contract of sale specifying the rights and responsibilities?
7. Obligated to sign an artist all his work on the front side, on the back?
8. Is there a refund picture? Under what conditions?


Interestingly it is the view of buyers, as they would like to have occurred paintings by the artist? And as it is taken in reality ...
Thank you!

In fact, paintings going for quite some time and tradition unsettled.
As the author and owner of the painting is the artist. then the first purchase should poizvoditsya an artist and nothing else. In All other must apply the appropriate effort to get interest from the sale of their efforts. Only so the buyer can ensure that you receive the original. Original garantiruetchsya signed by the artist, so the signature should be visible on the obverse.
For some reason, some believe. that the artist must necessarily sell through the seller is a fiction of crooks who are much more than the artists.
In my more important is not the first sale, and the possibility preobretateley sell the painting at auction. Auction-as the most democratic form of sale. Galleries and other shops store and sell pictures of their favorite artists, but the prices are fixed-price auctions. Etc.
Artist owed nothing to anybody, except that talent to paint.

[Семен Семенович]

The buyer and the artist: Ritual purchase
In my understanding, if we take only these two subjects of the transaction, then it is quite simple: the buyer, wanting to buy the product of the author visited the place where an artist he can show off their creations (the car I also think is not quite the appropriate place ). Goods and monetary relations have occurred, each got what he wanted, all dispersed to new encounters. The process of return of paintings in this case it seems inappropriate (if, of course, do not want both sides).
If I pribretayu work for the gallery, then never return already purchased the work (this is a demonstration of my lack of professionalism). If the work was taken on commission, then, naturally, it can be returned. And what I do, if the works were selected not by himself, and the artist invited to put any of his paintings (in this case the artist wants to show the public that he wants, but I can not guarantee the sale).

[kozhinart]

In my more important is not the first sale, and the possibility preobretateley sell the painting at auction. Auction-as the most democratic form of sale. Galleries and other shops store and sell pictures of their favorite artists, but the prices are fixed-price auctions. Etc.
Artist owed nothing to anybody, except that talent to paint.
Who and how to manage the market of art? Who can opredilit quality? Talent, genius? "Why set up auctions, and why they are calculated to a greater extent on the secondary market? Artist can produce a product in terms of market, and sales of the product is markening.i Other Technology vozdeystviya.Tvorchestvo - this process is not zavischaschy from this, for each artist his own way-the main self-actualization.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

If I pribretayu work for the gallery, then never return already purchased work (return is a demonstration of unprofessionalism).

Et exactly ... (c)
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This topic and its discussion of me once again showed that: should not himself artist engaged in selling your works, the product yourlabor. should be between him and the consumer mediator gallery, agent, dealer.
Know myself

[kozhinart]

Kirill think all of you understand me .
What you need to talk to the buyer can know the artist, may be familiar with the merchandising and stuff, but to praise himself for some zatrudnitelno.I then methods of influencing the customers are different, different reasons and motivations encourage purchase of zavischaschie outlook.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от kozhinart

What you need to talk to the buyer can know the artist ...
... but still praising themselves for some difficult

That's it ...
Know something can and knows, but the language often does not turn to talk about ...

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Yes, and do not know how to do this many.

They do not know, pointing at his thing, to say about himself in third person: "Look, how could Ivanov in this landscape to convey the feeling of spaciousness, an air of lightness, joy, contemplation of nature native storonushka ..."

[Veronic]

Сообщение от kozhinart

but praise themselves for some difficult.

and ugly ....

[nikola]

(from personal experience)
Today the Soviet era, the work bought mine. culture with large exhibitions.
They sold more through the thin salon or through hudfond. (I'm not sold, and the lack of exhibitions)
In all cases, the buyer is guaranteed that the work of professional (work everywhere there was an exhibition in hud.salon also)
Must be said, were more professional than the work, so more of them than buy-it concerns exhibitions. There were of course, and friends who have become admirers and took a lot. The author's participation in exhibitions on them was of great importance. It was built a system in which artists engaged in creative activities, and sales were held with the participation of professionals from the art. (To a greater or lesser extent)
I talk with many artists, what they now do, would not have gone for a single exhibition or paint the image and likeness sold. They make for sale, needful. Therefore, the questions raised above gives rise to the current situation. Among contemporary artists, is becoming less artists.?

Added after 16 minutes
I suggest to read carefully.

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...965#post178965

..... At the same time and artistic value, and commodity cost (price) works of art are directly dependent on the organization of "circular causation" - ie, the system of production and consumption of symbolic goods.

Thus, the market of art - not only for producers - the seller - the consumer. In the market economy is still set mandatory mediating links outside of direct commercial arrangements. And each of these links refers to the necessary presence of certain basic assumptions, without which the art market of contemporary art can not exist.

.... : Art Market is based on the willingness of society to clearly differentiate between: on the one hand, various modes of symbolic consumption in the system of art, embodied aesthetic structures and financial confirmation, on the other - parallel to the forms of commercial manipulation of the art, okolohudozhestvennoy or souvenir products to the public market of goods.

[Seriy]

very interesting discussion, thanks to all great! ...
about-must sell only dealer gallery ... I work cheap and sell them at that price or gallery or dealer is not interesting ... My work is a pair of gallery owners. By their silence, I realize that nothing they have not sold. I followed the same time he sold a dozen works. Of course, in my hands a hundred works, but they have several. But still ... so you can wait long for the sea weather ...

[Pavel]

Сообщение от kozhinart

In my most important is not the first sale, and the possibility preobretateley sell the painting at auction. Auction-as the most democratic form of sale. Galleries and other shops store and sell pictures of their favorite artists, but the prices are fixed-price auctions. Etc.
Artist owed nothing to anybody, except that talent to paint.
Who and how to manage the market of art? Who can opredilit quality? Talent, genius? "Why set up auctions, and why they are calculated to a greater extent on the secondary market? Artist can produce a product in terms of market, and sales of the product is markening.i Other Technology vozdeystviya.Tvorchestvo - this process is not zavischaschy from this, for each artist his own way-the main self-realization.

Talent, genius is the word that acquire meaning with the growth of the artist's work. The value of the artist is still determined in the money. Who are willing to pay for it.
You can sell and in the car but then harder to convince the buyer in a decent price. From the workshop is more expensive at the academician is even more expensive, but not a fact. in a few years, this thing can be sold at all.
The trader is obliged to buy the thing if he was confident he could sell it, and all those on the commission is from the fact that a very trader is not certain, but the interest would like to have. The auction allows you to unscrew the names, and thus gives the earnings of traders. It includes a lot of turnover of things, but we know the more traffic, the higher the income. The artist is only the first step, more sales and purchases, the more the better for torgovtsa.Mozhet who knows another opportunity to increase turnover?
The biggest stupidity to prove the artist that he is wrong and then a huge number of artifacts lying around for years in the workshops, instead of to circulate through auctions, sales and galleries.