Sell Saryan, 1911, expert opinion from the State Tretyakov Gallery - Page 2 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

uriart · 07-01-2010, 22:10

Artinvestment attracts all sorts of persons.
And some, I will not call workers, trying to make out such a naive simpletons or prostushek (?) And are trying to light the work of very dubious quality, to say the least (!).
I invite the distinguished community to fight by all possible methods of such types.
Well, can not allow ourselves to use!
To what is it repulsive!
Let's open a special page where you want to move all the trash which then exhibit a good name.
We have a good start.
Oleg Qi, a big thanks to him!
With his light hand, I got rid of the false Burliuk purchased at Christie's. Money has already returned. Deploying photo real work and falshaka which was sold at Christie's.
If every little bit will remove trash from commercial areas, so it will be the same cleaner! Pleasant!

Seriy · 07-01-2010, 22:42

In America, too, must answer for everything, and nowhere to hide. There for moral damages may be awarded millions. So sell in Russia.

мистер-у · 07-01-2010, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seriy

In America, too, must answer for everything, and nowhere to hide. There for moral damages may be awarded millions. So sell in Russia.

And we prosche.Nam do not need millions of them, but these vendors have them and can not byt.Nam need another one word swindler should be punished and the punishment we order ourselves.

Tana · 08-01-2010, 00:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by uriart

We have a good start.
Oleg Qi, a big thanks to him!
With his light hand, I got rid of the false Burliuk purchased at Christie's. Money has already returned. Deploying photo real work and falshaka which was sold at Christie's.
If every little bit will remove trash from commercial areas, so it will be the same cleaner! And nicer!

uriart I want to congratulate you with this, because not so often manage to return falshak!
uriart, can you ask to tell the story of the return to a particular topic of forgery (if possible), I will be very grateful.

Tana · 08-01-2010, 02:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alenka

What about you, such smart "Assi" bought a fake?

Well you're so devastated for the people who've helped with the identification? (and vice versa, may have caught falshak)? From fabrications no one is immune, but the reason is because of this angry, perhaps because it issued, otherwise you would were just grateful.

Tana · 08-01-2010, 04:07

Well, that's next issue, where expertise MI Lomize already discussed (post 37):
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...t=12105&page=4
(probably already be the subject of it to create

)

Tana · 08-01-2010, 05:06

again scanned the subject, apparently Alenka recently became involved in the sale of works of art or mediation, came here this hitch here ... (though pritenziyami to send all the experts have already pretty well)

would advise other than the section "Sales" to read the other sections of the forum, if you really want to know something (because except in this section, many posts on the Alenka not found)

sincere, well I have no sympathy for the Alenka, not because I am such an evil, but because in this situation, I feel sorry for the man who bought (or buy) now have a mediator now.
So in fact agree to the absurd: what to take to the dealer, he's inexperienced, not specifically how best wishes, and the buyer himself to blame, look we wanted.

uriart · 08-01-2010, 08:54

Tana, history is very simple.
I bought on internet auction and because of ignorance of the language (English) are not lifted the box with this lot when buying another painting. It turned out that he bought two. Not really worried, it was hot. Thought that someone selling. So I hung this work.
I have posted the photo in my album here on the site.
Oleg has seen my photo and wrote me and sent photos of the original which was filmed copy.
Then I wrote a letter to Christie and sent them both the photo and asked that as such can byt.Proshlo of 2 years from the date of purchase, and Christie provide guarantees for five years.
They demanded to send them now. I sent a month later and with a little money back to me 15 000 dollars.
That's the whole story.
Since Christie's of London, I had a different situation, but it uzhu another story.

The trouble in our mentality. We're basically pro-Soviet (I'm so sure!).
Not in the sense that I sovdepovets, but the fact that the Council of Deputies looking for foreigners with aspiration and believed that there are all very honest people!
How do you know that the percentage of honest and dishonest people varies in different countries. Where it is more and where less is a subject for research sociologists.
A rogues of all stripes have enough everywhere!
One must be cautious and not very all doveryat.Eto I have concluded for themselves and recommend to others!

Tana · 08-01-2010, 14:09

Thank you uriart, surprisingly, returned a fairly simple (not asked to review, etc.) and yet another example of a help forum, and Owned by OlegTsi

uriart · 08-01-2010, 14:32

Tana, yes please!
I myself was surprised that not asked to make expertise in Russia.
And what they had to ask, when the fact is there!
Here's the original! But fake bought from them.
Where to go? What else can you ask?
They tried to say that I will understand any of their experts took this job. So I wrote to them that money back and investigate further yourself.
We would at the forum, get rid of some latter-day traders questionable works.

07-01-2010, 22:10	Original language: Russian #11
uriart Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UKRAINE Posts: 8,039 Thanks: 5,979 Thanked 7,017 Times in 2,462 Posts Reputation: 12461	Artinvestment attracts all sorts of persons. And some, I will not call workers, trying to make out such a naive simpletons or prostushek (?) And are trying to light the work of very dubious quality, to say the least (!). I invite the distinguished community to fight by all possible methods of such types. Well, can not allow ourselves to use! To what is it repulsive! Let's open a special page where you want to move all the trash which then exhibit a good name. We have a good start. Oleg Qi, a big thanks to him! With his light hand, I got rid of the false Burliuk purchased at Christie's. Money has already returned. Deploying photo real work and falshaka which was sold at Christie's. If every little bit will remove trash from commercial areas, so it will be the same cleaner! Pleasant! Attached Thumbnails

07-01-2010, 22:42	Original language: Russian #12
Seriy Гуру Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Москва-Киев Posts: 7,078 Thanks: 4,985 Thanked 6,613 Times in 2,177 Posts Reputation: 12970	In America, too, must answer for everything, and nowhere to hide. There for moral damages may be awarded millions. So sell in Russia. __________________ художник Ixygon - http://artnow.ru/ru/gallery/3/9765/picture/0/0.html

08-01-2010, 05:06	Original language: Russian #17
Tana Гуру Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,430 Thanks: 16,535 Thanked 3,169 Times in 901 Posts Reputation: 5353	again scanned the subject, apparently Alenka recently became involved in the sale of works of art or mediation, came here this hitch here ... (though pritenziyami to send all the experts have already pretty well) would advise other than the section "Sales" to read the other sections of the forum, if you really want to know something (because except in this section, many posts on the Alenka not found) sincere, well I have no sympathy for the Alenka, not because I am such an evil, but because in this situation, I feel sorry for the man who bought (or buy) now have a mediator now. So in fact agree to the absurd: what to take to the dealer, he's inexperienced, not specifically how best wishes, and the buyer himself to blame, look we wanted. Last edited by Tana; 08-01-2010 at 05:22.

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08-01-2010, 04:07	Original language: Russian #16
Tana Гуру Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,430 Thanks: 16,535 Thanked 3,169 Times in 901 Posts Reputation: 5353	Well, that's next issue, where expertise MI Lomize already discussed (post 37): http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...t=12105&page=4 (probably already be the subject of it to create )

08-01-2010, 08:54	Original language: Russian #18
uriart Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UKRAINE Posts: 8,039 Thanks: 5,979 Thanked 7,017 Times in 2,462 Posts Reputation: 12461	Tana, history is very simple. I bought on internet auction and because of ignorance of the language (English) are not lifted the box with this lot when buying another painting. It turned out that he bought two. Not really worried, it was hot. Thought that someone selling. So I hung this work. I have posted the photo in my album here on the site. Oleg has seen my photo and wrote me and sent photos of the original which was filmed copy. Then I wrote a letter to Christie and sent them both the photo and asked that as such can byt.Proshlo of 2 years from the date of purchase, and Christie provide guarantees for five years. They demanded to send them now. I sent a month later and with a little money back to me 15 000 dollars. That's the whole story. Since Christie's of London, I had a different situation, but it uzhu another story. The trouble in our mentality. We're basically pro-Soviet (I'm so sure!). Not in the sense that I sovdepovets, but the fact that the Council of Deputies looking for foreigners with aspiration and believed that there are all very honest people! How do you know that the percentage of honest and dishonest people varies in different countries. Where it is more and where less is a subject for research sociologists. A rogues of all stripes have enough everywhere! One must be cautious and not very all doveryat.Eto I have concluded for themselves and recommend to others!

08-01-2010, 14:09	Original language: Russian #19
Tana Гуру Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,430 Thanks: 16,535 Thanked 3,169 Times in 901 Posts Reputation: 5353	Thank you uriart, surprisingly, returned a fairly simple (not asked to review, etc.) and yet another example of a help forum, and Owned by OlegTsi

08-01-2010, 14:32	Original language: Russian #20
uriart Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UKRAINE Posts: 8,039 Thanks: 5,979 Thanked 7,017 Times in 2,462 Posts Reputation: 12461	Tana, yes please! I myself was surprised that not asked to make expertise in Russia. And what they had to ask, when the fact is there! Here's the original! But fake bought from them. Where to go? What else can you ask? They tried to say that I will understand any of their experts took this job. So I wrote to them that money back and investigate further yourself. We would at the forum, get rid of some latter-day traders questionable works.