Fakes ... Fakes ...

[OlegTsi]

Cyril Syzransky, oh, publicly apologize, yes, of course chalk. Red Chalk. Just next to the descriptions of other works were made by Charcoal. My mistake 1000 apology.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от OlegTsi

Chaulk

Chalk-chalk, usually.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от OlegTsi

Under ibey nickname Matsok, people from Australia offers a wide range of Russian avant-garde

1. Goncharova
2. Forino, 1919
3. M. Andreyenko (gouache)

Price from 125 to 305 dollars.

4. Original Andreenko (oil), which inspired an Australian on Vol. sketch ...

Da, ia ego na ebay chasten'ko vizu. No po opisaniiu i tsene pridrat'sia slozno.

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Сообщение от Seriy

OlegTsi, in that no no, IMHO, until he puts his signature is not his. Those that I saw, signed JM. And the name-"Still Life 50-ies" can be read - in the style of 50's. He's not making false documents.

Daze esli postavit podpis' ne svoiu, eto eschio ne kriminal. Podpis 'inogda traktuetsia, kak organicheskaiia chast' kartiny. Eto stanovitsia kriminalom, kogda zavedomo izvestno, chto kartina poddelka, i prodavets znal eto, i vydadval ee za podlinnik.

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Сообщение от OlegTsi

singoff, just in case your need to make the amendment, if skopiirovana signature on a copy of the original author, then it is not a copy. Can be argued that this is a fake.

Iuridicheski nel'zia.

[OlegTsi]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Iuridicheski nel'zia.

It's all deceit and fraud. Of course, that all they (forgers) know that is not so easy to prove such facts legally. But sooner or later will have to answer ...

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от OlegTsi

It's all deceit and fraud. Of course, that all they (forgers) know that is not so easy to prove such facts legally. But sooner or later will have to answer ...

http://www.artcrime.info/

Posmotrite, interesnaia organizatsiia, hotel daze ih kurs proiti, no sobstvennye proekty ne daiut.

nedavno perechityva, Hebborna, Keatinga i knigu o De Hori. Mnogo interesnogo, no ... est 'million vsiacheskih "no".

Daze attributirovat 'poddelku ne vsegda prosto. Esli vziat 'muzeinye raboty, kotorye popali v kollektsii 50 - 100 let nazad, mnogie iz nih problematichny. Posmotrite, kak Duveen delal attributsii, a ego mnogie muzei slushalis'.

Bezuslovno, interesnaia tema, no ... slishkom mnogo seryh oblastei, nedostatok sredstv i spetsialistov, da i ne vse hotiat pravdu znat'

[Seriy]

OlegTsi, to listen to you, so there is a market for art auctions, Provenance, experts and detailed kolektsionerov originals.
This is not so. This is a secondary superstructure and recent. A primary is simply to make beautiful. And the primary will always win secondary.
If the market needs painting in any manner, even Picasso, although here I was yesterday at the Pushkin-hanging work, signed by Fernand Leger, 1925, and I saw it was a Picasso of the same time, he has a dozen absolutely the same, indistinguishable from Leger paintings an artist who paints and sells these paintings to people doing a good necessary work. Because most people do not care about auctions, provenance - they want to hang on the wall a beautiful picture, but do not enjoy the catalogs of auctions and dzhipegami. And the duty of the artist to paint a picture. Yes, there are copyright and must be respected, but do not have the art of making a prison from the guards and the cooler.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Seriy

Because most people do not care about auctions, provenance - they want to hang on the wall a beautiful picture, but do not enjoy the catalogs of auctions and dzhipegami.

No, I do not care if this picture is bought at auction. And the provenance is important, if the picture is, for example, is 50 tons of dollars.

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Сообщение от Seriy

OlegTsi, listen to you, so there is a market for art auctions, Provenance, experts and detailed kolektsionerov originals.

Market-any-exist for the purchase /sale of goods, services, one-word "product". In the "product" is the consumer, which is important to know about the product a few things, namely: price, quality assurance and, possibly, feedback about the product.
All this is true, in my opinion, and to such product as a work of art.

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Seriy, and if you are concerned that eating, for example, "sweets number 5, bought at the market, you have any problems with the gastrointestinal tract, or you refuse to buy (but I want you love These "vkushnyashki number 5"), or refer to a specialist for drovedeniya san.-epidemics. verification.
This is a simplified coarse-grained scheme, it is clear that the verification of products is not so, but the food we eat several times a day throughout life, and now, let's say, not every person, and once in his life buys.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Seriy

Because most people do not care about auctions, provenance - they want to hang on the wall a beautiful painting

Website investment in art, just a beautiful picture ... it's not investment, and the art of interior design is when pictures are selected under the wallpaper in the apartment or the color of furniture ..
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Dear, Seriy, then the other issue, and in this thread in the first place goes provenance, expertise, artistic study .. it is collecting paintings.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

No, I do not care .....
 And the provenance is important, if the picture, for example, costs 50 dollars so

I agree 100%..

[uriart]

Сообщение от Seriy

OlegTsi, to listen to you, so there is a market for art auctions, Provenance, experts and detailed kolektsionerov originals.
This is not so. This is a secondary superstructure and recent. A primary is simply to make beautiful. And the primary will always win secondary.
If the market needs painting in any manner, even Picasso, although here I was yesterday at the Pushkin-hanging work, signed by Fernand Leger, 1925, and I saw it was a Picasso of the same time, he has a dozen absolutely the same, indistinguishable from Leger paintings-is an artist who paints and sells these paintings to people doing a good thing right. because most people do not care about auctions, provenance - they want to hang on the wall a beautiful picture not enjoy the catalogs of auctions and dzhipegami. And the duty of the artist to paint a picture. Yes, there are copyright and must be respected, but do not have the art of making a prison from the guards and punishment cells.

Here read your opus unconsciously want to ask you a simple question:
Then why did you not buy or eat food, the second freshness? Or not wearing trampled and torn shoes sold under the brand name Gucci?
And many more questions can you ask for a refutation of your arguments.
You do justify the manufacturers of fakes?
And for what?
Replying to say in red, this is a copy edits. And people who do not care how you say them and they are buying.
And there is as they say "the tabloid paintings, works feeble artists who want to show their creativity and at the same time and still need to eat and feed his family.

[Seriy]

Сообщение от Eugene

Dear, Seriy, then the other issue, and in this thread in the first place goes provenance, expertise, artistic study .. it is collecting paintings.
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Kozma said Prutkov Specialists similar flux.
When I read that the punishment MUST overtake nick selling his own to draw pictures in the styles of popular artists, I visited this very idea Kozma, which I shared with you.
And nick is also a work of art market, with the most authentic - from the artist to the buyer.

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uriart, I-man without excessive pathos, Gucci do not wear, eat a simple meal.
For a meal in the summer we sometimes who they market to the neighboring g.Byshev Kiev region.
There on the market is an artist and sells his paintings. People buy them.
This is the Art Market.