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Старый 21.12.2009, 10:30 Язык оригинала: Русский       #31
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yak, read in the PS



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Старый 21.12.2009, 10:34 Язык оригинала: Русский       #32
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I'm not trying to ubezhdat.Lyuboe view subjectively, above, I simply responded to [the message of Samvel]. Arguments on how many could-and did not try anyone else that either dokazat.V end while in Ukraine as in other matters, and you, and having only a specialist in this area of painting, in the person of Gorbachev - who should we believe him or each other.


To believe to my eyes!



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After careful consideration of the "double" the portrait shows that depicted the same man in different images. "What is it like to say to the author's portrait and the customer knows only oni.Odno clearly is not Yakovlev and Shukhaiev.
As for Professor D. Gorbachev - a real person. Now he was 73 goda.Svyazatsya with him personally is not possible.
Myth - everything around him as the greatest eksperta.K example, about the permanent Sotheby's expert.
And it was so (interview, 2007)
"He remembers, as advised participants of the auction, Sotheby's.

- Munich Koreckij wife bought a collection of abstract paintings. His friends tried to dissuade them. They said: "There's nothing drawn that we do not kill." This were the paintings of Malevich, Tatlin, - says admiringly. - So Koreckij become millionaires. And then put another sheet on Exter Sotheby's. French art critic Andre Nakov doubted its originality. They appealed to me. I confirmed that this - the original. "
D. Gorbachev theater professor at Kiev University. Karpenko-Kary has lectured on the Ukrainian avant-garde.
I agree with K. Syzransky that presented as expert opinion, the document - "Filkin charter" and the content and form.
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Старый 21.12.2009, 12:49 Язык оригинала: Русский       #34
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presented as expert opinion, the document - "Filkin charter" and the content and form.
Unfortunately there is no other! Priymite in mind that the work is in Ukraine, and giving opinion Vakulenko, Tsitovich or Bychko - would seem a mockery of the picture and the panellists.



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Старый 21.12.2009, 13:02 Язык оригинала: Русский       #35
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yak, you write:
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[B]Buy[/B ]: Basil Shukhaiev''Double Portrait Yakovlev and V. Shukhaiev''
In my opinion, the appearance of such work at the art-fish, if not a sensation, then certainly an event. And the price of this work is a serious, right?
Is it possible to temporarily remove her from the Ukraine for attribution in Russia? It can be for this event is to enlist the support and the Ukrainian Ministry of Culture? No?
And if this work with such a resounding author and the title just to sell via the Internet, and evaluation of all this will negotsii sotrovozhdatsya at least smile and a shrug.
As you yourself believe something?



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Старый 21.12.2009, 13:21 Язык оригинала: Русский       #36
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will sotrovozhdatsya at least smile and a shrug.
As you yourself believe something?
So it seems, your right! Only, I would like to not ulybok.A shrug is a normal reaction, we do not Shukhaiev and Yakovlev.V for examination;
is no objection, only to decide who and where it should hold to the potential pokupatel.Vy is certainly faced with errors in the conclusions of the State Tretyakov Gallery and the GRM.



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Старый 21.12.2009, 13:26 Язык оригинала: Русский       #37
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You probably have encountered errors in the conclusions of the State Tretyakov Gallery and the GRM.
Error message strife ...
If you made a mistake and acknowledged falshak original-one, if the original is not confirmed, another. No?

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to decide who and where it should hold to a potential buyer.
The main thing that he appeared, the "buyer".




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Старый 21.12.2009, 14:26 Язык оригинала: Русский       #38
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For a long time I watched the discussion on работки. I see people are confused at all! I will try to dot the I!

Dmitry Yemelianovich Gorbachev - a real character, have a home phone and mobile, those who really want to write to the lichku.
Professor to call it difficult, as it is PhD, as in the USSR candidates who rubbed their 20 pairs of pants at the Department of = 20 years to formally assign zavnie professors and give the post at the department. Please note that D.E.G teaches at the Theater Institute, it is premdet which lectures, our hero - optional (not core)! Yes D.E.G one of the first approximately 40 years ago began working with the Ukrainian avant-garde through his hands and passed a lot of work from foundations, families, private collections, but only Bogomazov, Exter, Gryshchenko. All ochtalnye questions, our hero simply can not pull, but you be the judge of all three names but still some loud, be able to provide livelihoods Professor and here is how radicals clinging to all sorts of names and surnames. Since D.E.G is not anywhere strangers expert (Association, museums, guilds, NII), it has one way out - to be creative and give birth to these Kurinnoy paw written scrawl. Price of his work without differentiating names 200-300 green crocodiles. Motley antiques world in Ukraine are very profitable existence of this harmless professors, given the growth and value of artistic works the 20 th century, multiplied by the credulity of professors, plus the cost of inexpensive expertise - comes cheap but good can be obtained quickly in samizdat document. A. that all superr object is, the paper by hand, the professor is alive, you can call it you can always find something to say. In short, he confirmed everything and everyone understands what is not, and what he was pro, he will think and ponder - is a fact. But as can be seen today, and Sotheby's and Christie refused his services and solve these issues themselves.

And the last argument. Look at all the proposals of James on the forum and you'll see that among all his proposals are no niodnoy this work, and this time is no exception.

Tiutchev rights! There is nothing in common either at 1%. A mile away can be seen - very poor quality counterfeit. And if the opposite ???!!! I think Jacob would have already prompted much of its rapid-for $ 300,000 to send.

SO WHAT ПРОФЕССИОНАЛЬНІЕ Validating PLEASE Do not waste time and effort Proof.



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Старый 21.12.2009, 14:49 Язык оригинала: Русский       #39
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Dmitry Yemelianovich Gorbachev - a real character,
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Since D.E.G is not anywhere strangers expert (Association, museums, guilds, NII) in
Volodya thanks, it became obvious and clear who the D. E. Gorbachev ..



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Старый 21.12.2009, 14:59 Язык оригинала: Русский       #40
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a long time I watched the discussion on работки. I see people are confused at all! I will try to dot the I!

Dmitry Yemelianovich Gorbachev - a real character, have a home phone and mobile, those who really want to write to the lichku.
Professor to call it difficult, as it is PhD, as in the USSR candidates who rubbed their 20 pairs of pants at the Department of = 20 years to formally assign zavnie professors and give the post at the department. Please note that D.E.G teaches at the Theater Institute, it is premdet which lectures, our hero - optional (not core)! Yes D.E.G one of the first approximately 40 years ago began working with the Ukrainian avant-garde through his hands and passed a lot of work from foundations, families, private collections, but only Bogomazov, Exter, Gryshchenko. All ochtalnye questions, our hero simply can not pull, but you be the judge of all three names but still some loud, be able to provide livelihoods Professor and here is how radicals clinging to all sorts of names and surnames. Since D.E.G is not anywhere strangers expert (Association, museums, guilds, NII), it has one way out - to be creative and give birth to these Kurinnoy paw written scrawl. Price of his work without differentiating names 200-300 green crocodiles. Motley antiques world in Ukraine are very profitable existence of this harmless professors, given the growth and value of artistic works the 20 th century, multiplied by the credulity of professors, plus the cost of inexpensive expertise - comes cheap but good can be obtained quickly in samizdat document. A. that all superr object is, the paper by hand, the professor is alive, you can call it you can always find something to say. In short, he confirmed everything and everyone understands what is not, and what he was pro, he will think and ponder - is a fact. But as can be seen today, and Sotheby's and Christie refused his services and solve these issues themselves.

And the last argument. Look at all the proposals of James on the forum and you'll see that among all his proposals are no niodnoy this work, and this time is no exception.

Tiutchev rights! There is nothing in common either at 1%. A mile away can be seen - very poor quality counterfeit. And if the opposite ???!!! I think Jacob would have already prompted much of its rapid-for $ 300,000 to send.

SO WHAT ПРОФЕССИОНАЛЬНІЕ Validating PLEASE Do not waste time and effort to proof is obvious.
With regard to your last argument,''''I dare say that most of the exhibited works I have irrefutable proof of authenticity; now surviving relatives of artists, art exhibitions during his lifetime, the conclusion of the authors of monographs, archival documents, and so d.My are both in Ukraine and prove it to you, I do not make truda.I since you have already switched to the individual, then I dare to afford it and ya.My familiar with you for a long time
just NIK-yak and a real name-veschi.Kto YOU different than trading in general and what is relevant to the painting I am well aware. if you want to comment on what I mean, give me a call, the phone you est.A zavaevyvat cheapest credibility your pastvilyami - not seriously.



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