Go Back   Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство > English forum > Investing in Art
 English | Русский Forum ARTinvestment.RU RSS Register Blogs FAQ Community Today's Posts Search

Investing in Art Share your opinion about the profitability of investments.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-12-2009, 12:07 Original language: Russian        #21
Гуру
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,275
Thanks: 2,232
Thanked 1,366 Times in 551 Posts
Blog Entries: 39
Reputation: 2484
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky View Post
Here in the foreground and acts gallerist, hard vzohnuv and typing in the lungs more air- in the battle! shouting for Khabarovsk! For Franklin!
Kirill, inogda hochetsia podkliuchit 'zagrad-otriad !!
__________________
www.anmedicalrecruitment.com.au



AlexanderG is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to AlexanderG For This Useful Post:
Old 07-12-2009, 19:03 Original language: Russian        #22
Гуру
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Киев
Posts: 3,066
Thanks: 385
Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,448 Posts
Reputation: 6243
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexanderG View Post
4. Slabo raskruchennye hudozniki v tsenovom urovne - $ 5,000 - 15,000

Rabotat 'budu s udovol'stviem, s bol'shim napriazeniem, za 50%, navernoe zakliuchu ustnyi dogovor na 3-5 let.
  These prices are based on the fact that you position your gallery, serving as buyers willing to pay from $ 5000 for work? Or is it related to something else? I mean, you go to pass, pass, or just advertising and shares?
 Such amounts, more investment. A gift and decoration of the house or you below a certain level does not drop. This is due to the healthy number of galleries in Melbourne, which is taken over these past-pass, or - and so lacking, do not want to fool around with a large number of small customers?
  But, on the other hand, the smaller its activity boasting and "valuable suggestions" can entice large.
   Share how you have set the bar lower.



Fed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2009, 21:42 Original language: Russian        #23
Гуру
 
K-Maler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,601
Thanks: 9,551
Thanked 3,679 Times in 1,689 Posts
Reputation: 6487
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexanderG View Post
Lavirovat ', chasto znachit vyzivat' na malom biudzete.
Well, as you see, write in Cyrillic, so it was in Russia. I think the trend to a certain refined art galleries business (Western-style) inhibits the development of commerce and art (in Russia) and the development of art itself (in Russia). Everything is not because "everyone" and it is fatal. I think that we will be successful "heterogeneous" gallery. I do not mean the trade "as the panel, but not so that when neither would call, there is empty, no visitor ... There should be promotion of taste for art - and the profits will be.



K-Maler is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to K-Maler For This Useful Post:
DSF (09-12-2009), Fed (07-12-2009)
Old 08-12-2009, 04:07 Original language: Russian        #24
Гуру
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,275
Thanks: 2,232
Thanked 1,366 Times in 551 Posts
Blog Entries: 39
Reputation: 2484
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fed View Post
These prices are based on the fact that you position your gallery, serving as buyers willing to pay from $ 5000 for work? Or is it related to something else? I mean, you go to pass, pass, or just advertising and shares?
Galereia gipoteticheskaia!

Mimoprohodiaschie redko mogut vylozit '$ 5,000


 Such amounts, more investment. A gift and decoration of the house or you below a certain level does not drop.

Zdes '$ 5,000 - $ 7,000 mogut potratit' na udovol'stvie, ne obiazatel'no investitsiiu.

 This is due to the healthy number of galleries in Melbourne, which is taken over these past-pass, or - and so lacking, do not want to fool around with a large number of small customers?

Eto toze, odinakovoe kolichestvo energii rashoduetsia na prodazu $ 500 ili $ 100,000 (inogda doroguiu prodat 'legche), a rezul'tat, kak vy ponimaete raznyi.

  But, on the other hand, the smaller its activity boasting and "valuable suggestions" can entice large.

Kraine redko, sotsial'naia razobschionnost 'suschestvuet. Melkie ne v odnoi tusovke s krupnymi, oni kraine redko peresekaiutsia.

   Share how you have set the bar lower.
Iskliuchitel'no is soobrazenii moego vremeni. Ubivat'sia za $ 100 mne ne interesno.

Added after 2 minutes
Quote:
Originally Posted by K-Maler View Post
Well, as you see, write in Cyrillic, so it was in Russia. I think the trend to a certain refined art galleries business (Western-style) inhibits the development of commerce and art (in Russia) and the development of art itself (in Russia).

Est 'raznye galerei, i rafinirovannyh nemnogo.

 Everything is not because "everyone" and it is fatal.

Zakony rynka vezde odinakovy.

I think that we will be successful "heterogeneous" gallery. I do not mean the trade "as the panel, but not so that when neither would call, there is empty, no visitor ... There should be promotion of taste for art - and the profits will be.
Obiazatrel'no! Vovlekat 'publiku v art mir - vospityvat' novoe pokolenie kollektsionerov.
__________________
www.anmedicalrecruitment.com.au




Last edited by AlexanderG; 08-12-2009 at 04:10. Reason: Добавлено сообщение
AlexanderG is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to AlexanderG For This Useful Post:
DSF (09-12-2009), iside (07-02-2010)
Old 08-12-2009, 12:13 Original language: Russian        #25
Старожил
 
Семен Семенович's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Украина,Киев
Posts: 646
Thanks: 66
Thanked 719 Times in 205 Posts
Reputation: 1161
Default

Thank you, AlexanderG, for this theme! As they say: You live - and learn ....! Here's a little jealous of you (white envy) for the price range in which you work. I somehow fails. My prices are 1500 - 15000 and above did not get to move the artist. Begins the typical movement towards "autonomous" life, there are smart advisers, and have to leave ... Some of then want to return to the previous relationship, but ... As they say: who gave time ... And the price level of painting (not the level of painting), which I do not so grows our market (not so fast). But I can not say with sadness, but simply stating a fact, because the modern (in the sense of "kontemporalnym" and "topical" I do not want to). Of course, there are proposals from individuals (I can not name all those collectors) on the selection of certain names for the home, family .... But this is not the work of gallery, but as times: Buy & Sell (take out-sold) ...
In many respects, the price dictates the overall presentation (culture, fashion, habits ...) of potential buyers about how much should be worth this or that painting .. And let's say the price in Russia to separate from the Ukraine at 50-100%, while in the U.S. - by 100-400%...

Added after 4 minutes
Quote:
Originally Posted by K-Maler View Post
There should be promotion of taste for art - and the profits will be.
I fully agree with this. Here are just a "vaccination" taste it troublesome and long ...
And the artist wants to quickly, and a lot of expensive ... "Here's the struggle goes on ...




Last edited by Семен Семенович; 08-12-2009 at 12:17. Reason: Добавлено сообщение
Семен Семенович is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Семен Семенович For This Useful Post:
AlexanderG (08-12-2009), DSF (09-12-2009)
Old 08-12-2009, 12:29 Original language: Russian        #26
Гуру
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,275
Thanks: 2,232
Thanked 1,366 Times in 551 Posts
Blog Entries: 39
Reputation: 2484
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Semen Semenovich View Post
Thanks, AlexanderG, for this theme! As they say: You live - and learn ....! Here's a little jealous of you (white envy) for the price range in which you work. I somehow fails. My prices are 1500 - 15000 and above did not get to move the artist. Begins the typical movement towards "autonomous" life, there are smart advisers, and have to leave ...

Mne eto ochen 'znakomo, poetomu, kak ia pisal ran'she, v otbore soratnikov (imenno soratnikov) idu ot cheloveka, a ne ot togo, chto on seichas delaet.

Some of then want to return to the previous relationship, but ... As they say: who gave time ... 1000 raz soglasen

And the price level of painting (not the level of painting), which I do not so grows our market (not so fast). But I can not say with sadness, but simply stating a fact, because the modern (in the sense of "kontemporalnym" and "topical" I do not want to).

 Ia toze etim ne zanimaius'.

Of course, there are proposals from individuals (I can not name all those collectors) on the selection of certain names for the home, family .... But this is not the work of gallery, but as times: Buy & Sell (take out-sold) ... Ne sovsem soglasen - eto daiot dopolnitel'nye prodazi. Ia inogda daze veshat 'pomogaiu , klienta nado liubit' i ublazat'
In many respects, the price dictates the overall presentation (culture, fashion, habits ...) of potential buyers about how much should be worth this or that painting .. And let's say the price in Russia to separate from the Ukraine at 50-100%, while in the U.S. - by 100-400%...

Added after 4 minutes

I fully agree with this. Here are just a "vaccination" taste it troublesome and long ...

Tem ne menee, bez etogo mozno zastriat 'v nizkoi tsenovoi ramke, vy dolzny byt' zakonodatelem mod.
And the artist wants to quickly, and a lot of expensive ... "Here's the struggle goes on ...
ne na zizn'
__________________
www.anmedicalrecruitment.com.au



AlexanderG is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to AlexanderG For This Useful Post:
iside (07-02-2010), Семен Семенович (08-12-2009)
Old 08-12-2009, 12:46 Original language: Russian        #27
Гуру
 
Кирилл Сызранский's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: РФ, Самара
Posts: 75,399
Thanks: 27,868
Thanked 55,331 Times in 24,284 Posts
Blog Entries: 126
Reputation: 102391
Send a message via Skype™ to Кирилл Сызранский
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Semen Semenovich View Post
begins the typical movement towards "autonomous" life, there are smart advisers and have to leave ... Some of then want to return to the previous relationship, but ... As they say: who gave time ...
Many artists just starting to work with a gallery or dealer, already think:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavel View Post
are often turns out, comes Vasya and in the studio, vodka agrees to sell the work of the artist chooses the best paying a penny and a good attitude. This Wasi except that he no dealer clientele nothing. But he sells the work and leaves me 80%.
It's a good attitude?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavel View Post
you did not beget pictures, using the labor of others, at every step of deception.


Added after 1 minutes
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexanderG View Post
v otbore soratnikov (imenno soratnikov) idu ot cheloveka, a ne ot togo, chto on seichas delaet.
Yes, it is perhaps more important, kachestroa person with whom you work, rather than the quality of his work. Agree.




Last edited by Кирилл Сызранский; 08-12-2009 at 12:47. Reason: Добавлено сообщение
Кирилл Сызранский is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Кирилл Сызранский For This Useful Post:
AlexanderG (08-12-2009), iside (07-02-2010), kozhinart (08-12-2009)
Old 08-12-2009, 13:22 Original language: Russian        #28
Старожил
 
kozhinart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Moscow,Russia
Posts: 694
Thanks: 1,324
Thanked 1,086 Times in 255 Posts
Blog Entries: 14
Reputation: 2082
Send a message via ICQ to kozhinart Send a message via Yahoo to kozhinart Send a message via Skype™ to kozhinart
Default

What do you think about the pricing policy, whether it should be one of the artist to be united, to your взляд, in all countries, roughly speaking, in Switzerland, Britain, China, Russia and t.d.i what price difference is acceptable, if competent price policy ?



kozhinart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2009, 13:37 Original language: Russian        #29
Гуру
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,275
Thanks: 2,232
Thanked 1,366 Times in 551 Posts
Blog Entries: 39
Reputation: 2484
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kozhinart View Post
What do you think about the pricing policy, whether it should be one of the artist to be united, to your взляд, in all countries, roughly speaking, in Switzerland, Britain, China, Russia and t.d.i what price difference is acceptable, if competent price policy?

U nas byla takaia situatsiia s Rebeccoi. Ee kartiny prodavalis' v Singapure po $ 20 - 25,000, pri Avstraliiskih prodazah za analogichnye raboty $ 5 - 7,000.
My vynudili Singapurskuiu galereiu snizit 'tseny, tk oni ne mogli byt' podderzany Avstraliiskim rynkom. Esli by pokupateli uznali o tsenah v Au, mogli by byt 'oslozneniia v dal'neishih otnosheniiah.


I want to ask you to correct the ideal
The question arose in a rather poskosti, artist anywhere on raznoimu known, somewhere sold a long time and has a history of sales, but somewhere just for the first time
V reale mezdunarodnyh hudoznikov ochen 'malo. Tseny var'iruiut ot strany k strane. My eto uze obsuzdali (geograficheskii printsip).

Esli est 'tviordaia likvidnost' cherez mezdunarodnye auktsiony, to tseny standartny vezde.
__________________
www.anmedicalrecruitment.com.au



AlexanderG is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to AlexanderG For This Useful Post:
DSF (09-12-2009), iside (07-02-2010)
Old 08-12-2009, 15:56 Original language: Russian        #30
Авторитет
 
Ninni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 893
Thanks: 3,858
Thanked 1,909 Times in 376 Posts
Blog Entries: 1
Reputation: 3163
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Semen Semenovich View Post
... above did not get to move the artist. Begins the typical movement towards "autonomous" life, there are smart advisers, and have to leave ... Some of then want to return to the previous relationship, but ... As they say: who gave time ...
And the artist wants to quickly, and a lot of expensive ...
 Honest "partner" in any case be difficult to find and I do not think that the artist is a measure of instability in the relationship - after all the artists (as well as gallery owners) are different people with different education, different social level, intelligence, etc.
To all added personal likes and dislikes ....
Incorrect stereotypes are not only artists but also about the gallery business - especially in the former Soviet Union where there is still a weighty part of the Soviet mentality (very difficult expelled from the subconscious)
 Many relationships break down of stereotypes and the negative experience and from artists and gallery owners.



Ninni is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Ninni For This Useful Post:
AlexanderG (08-12-2009), DSF (09-12-2009), kozhinart (08-12-2009), Ваулин Алексей (10-12-2009)
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Relationship and mutual obligations between the artist and gallery owners babochka Investing in Art 444 23-01-2013 10:14
Using an artist of various optical illusions sergejnowo Art Kaleidoscope 32 28-10-2009 21:55
How to work an artist with a gallery and a gallery to work with an artist? Семен Семенович Art Kaleidoscope 91 21-08-2009 01:58
Help with the name or artist Мария Чернова Costs, valuation, attribution 3 06-08-2009 16:14





All times are GMT +3. The time now is 12:16.
Telegram - Contact Us - Обработка персональных данных - Archive - Top


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.