Watery Russian section at the autumn Bukowskis

[Sandro]

Сообщение от Konstantin

If anyone has specific cases, better than their voice here, a strong publicity thing.

I have just given you and your an example of how one and a half years trying to return the "wrong" picture (with two negative examinations + one отриц. Oral, made for their good money), which was bought with expertise in Bukovsky. And still - nothing, no answer.
But this I get the following:

Сообщение от Eriksson

The essence of your battle with the auction house is known only to you and that you do not filter can get money for the purchased fake does not mean that these auctions work dishonest or incompetent people. Perhaps you are mistaken, not they. Not to say more ...

Then followed this debate, which I already tired ...
However, such baseless attacks and allegations, I, personally, do not forgive.
That's all!

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

The responsibility for the obtaining of all the same lies with the buyer. Auction trading enterprise, not an expert. The purpose of the auction-profit, and on Russian art, as we all say here, they have their experts do not exactly attract a Russian, the Tretyakov Gallery.

I agree that the buyer should be aware of that pays. But here's the paradox - that to understand the art, takes years of training and practice, according to the distinguished members of this forum. On the other hand, judging by the pessimistic comments of at least respected members, experts are also typical for various reasons, "err", and often. Now, go and auctioneer can not be trusted, well, just hopeless situation: confused sigh). Would probably have to make all purchases to the public (in the assessment or) and hope that though raskritikuyut half (or more), but MB average to get the rest do not lose .

[мистер-у]

Note from Konstantin
If anyone has specific cases, better than their voice here, a strong publicity thing

The last salon I've talked with many owners of large antique shops in Moscow and St. Petersburg, nearly all problems with falshakami, almost all are judged and processes are very lengthy, and sometimes neobratimye.Da, but people who buy a lot of years and have not stopped buying. They have a great experience, but still pierced.
My dealer in Europe recently purchased at auction two works by British artists of the late 19 th century and what do you think the two falshaka trying vernut.So words the same dealer, many German auctions, knowing him personally, mygko speaking lies in describing the safety and condition of the porcelain predmetov.Govoryat object without restoration, but when it comes to the premise, it is restored to.
I have several times the same "flew", but what can you do, this is the market, from no one zastrahovan.Lichno I do not want to spoil their nerves and do samoedstvom, but do not want to plead not budu.Eti some pictures I just destroyed and about intsendente forgotten.
I can give some sovteov, never buy from auctions, "the pictures", it is self-deception, the work must watch live.
Never believe there the experts, deceived and introduce confusion.
Dealers must be very literate and have experience of visualization products.
I'm giving you a year ago ssyki for examination in Russia, she was born and became operational early in the second half of the 19 veka.Uzhe then sold at auction fakes Bryullov K. and A. Ivanov, and counterfeiting in Europe have gone even sooner.
And another request or pozhelanie.Ne only need to "bleach" in the decency of Swedes, Finns, Germans, Britons and other organizers auktsionov.Zapomnite ode truism-ANY AUCTION IS PERFECTLY ORGANIZED SHOWS .

[Eriksson]

On how the people got excited a !

I can understand - bought freely falshak for their blood and thereby accepting a full lohom (I use all the familiar terminology), one nevertheless does not want to end chuvstvovt like an idiot. Yes, and money wasted sorry.
Yes, auctions, shows, yes - there are dishonest people everywhere, yes, of course - to sue a private person - and what's from Russia, not having to Western countries are no normal legal arrangements, with a solid company is difficult, and so etc. ...
Perhaps some forum members will be unpleasant to read further, but nonetheless.
Mentioned here Upssalsky auction is aimed mainly at Russian clients. What is this "Russian client" in the vast majority? I saw with my own eyes: bumpkin with raspaltsovkoy and their ladies, hung with diamonds from the top to tail and outgoing blue steam in their sables not removed even in the room.
If a customer buys five paintings by 50 thousand dollars each - who he is, by definition? No one local collector, who lives on a fair income and paying taxes, afford it can not, is a medical fact.
At such a beast of a hunter and his running - in the last 10-15 years in the house upssalskom formed a special, shall we say, the collective. Herself was shocked when a wedding icon in full Kyoto and a silver-work Artsibashev these clever I appreciate ... 1000 kroons, ie 100! euro. I do not mind - nothing to do, how well I do not speak their language, a Slavic accent, alas, be eradicated. She took the icon under my arm and made its findings - here more or foot.
This is not the only place allowed to diddle Russian. Do I have to tell you how to behave "Russian people for a rendezvous?
You know yourself. Here here and attitude. And how do you relate to Caucasians, Tajiks and other "chock"? And that they have felt? Something not heard that in Europe, so treated as the unloved Russian propaganda and buffoon Zadornov Americans. And, God forbid, to his ...
This is one aspect.
There is another. The human factor. Experts and quartermasters are inexperienced. They could fake pass, if skillfully done, and may err in the opposite strontium. Several years ago, it seems at the same Upssale was neodotsenen Rubens. I well remember the story. Old married couple from Goteborg many years wanted to get rid of the pictures hanging them in a villa under the stairs. A kind of allegory muddy. No auction did not take - have argued that it is a bad copy of Rubens. Finally, the estimate was taken and put crowns in 7000.
During the bidding price of the lot jumped to several million - competed in the price of two British antiquary, to distinguish in this scribble unfinished work of Rubens. My grandmother with my grandfather, sitting in the hall, just blow was not enough for happiness.

To permanently, as the poet said Svetlov, "close the topic, let me remind more about original Swedish market antiquities. In this country the third century in a row no wars, no shocks or revolutions.
Art objects, have been gathered here from around the world for decades and even centuries are carefully stored and handed down. The terms of people, collecting and appreciating art is actually quite small, but for the novice there are dozens of the most varied and readily available courses on antiques, icons, Chinese porcelain, silver and so on.
Those who want to acquire knowledge, they receive. Therefore, the client is local to the best educated - at all "bullshit" does not will throw. So it turns out that Russian uneducated or inexperienced buyers purchase at auctions is that under the guise of originals there passed the other Russian. As my grandmother, "asked a red-haired black than you dyed beard" ...

And the last. Citizens Be mutually polite! Let us not become personal, it's bad form.

P.S. A link to the newspaper "Pravda" for me personally, the same as a link to the newspaper lemon. But perhaps I am greatly mistaken ...

[uriart]

Can not understand what you are you looking at Uppsala auction did not pleased!
Ibid works Nelly Smirnova very charming man. Competent and polite. In general, the lady agreeable in all respects!
You have talked with her and would not have such an attitude from the Swedes.
And how I went to Germany because he saw such a situation. As soon as the Germans heard the Russian language, so once you are trying to foist some fufletso.
But in the shops and various shops. In the auction houses there for a few decent. They see for yourself and choose. No you do not podsovyvaet.Sam pierced, then with yourself and ask.
Not owning any in.yazykom I talked with a German that is spoken on the fingers. He showed me a fine collection of glass, with enthusiasm something while commenting. It was in Cologne. I went out with a good mood and thought that everything is not all people are and the bad.
There are good Germans, but this is not!

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Сообщение от Eriksson

So it turns out that Russian uneducated or inexperienced buyers purchase at auctions is that under the guise of originals there passed the other Russian.

That's for sure.
"Fuflyak" a Russian brought in and handed back is fine:

Сообщение от tivoli

TO Bukowski STOCKHOLM RUSSIAN section always formed from Piterskie WASTE THAT THERE was taken to

Сообщение от tivoli

There is a product that simply nobody buys from him and get rid.

And then the same "fuflyak" buy (hoping for a "miracle"-oil, for example, Exter for 3 thousand euro), are transported to Rashu, there are weighty dose of ridicule from colleagues (who are themselves often this "fuflyak and deposited in the auction house ), scratched again turnips, wonder and try to bring back:

Сообщение от tivoli

does not even something turn back even if examinations.

And about the Swedes, not himself, pure and naive lovers of beauty, said:

Сообщение от tivoli

Swedes frank miser, envious and narrow-minded.

And with unconcealed indignation remember "case in the restaurant:

Сообщение от Tjutchev

did not prevent, however, try me cheated a hotel manager, where I lived for 2 nd week, and the waiter who served me at the restaurant.

Lord dealers themselves do not lie, do not attempt here that among his brother-dealer look "white and fluffy, when the whole down-chicken-fox on the muzzle!

[Eriksson]

Сообщение от uriart

Do not you understand what you looking at Uppsala auction did not pleased!
Ibid works Nelly Smirnova very charming man. Competent and polite. In general, the lady agreeable in all respects!
You have talked with her and would not have such an attitude from the Swedes.
And how I went to Germany because he saw such a situation. As soon as the Germans heard the Russian language, so once you are trying to foist some fufletso.
But in the shops and various shops. In the auction houses there for a few decent. They see for yourself and choose. No you do not podsovyvaet.Sam pierced, then with yourself and ask.
Not owning any in.yazykom I talked with a German that is spoken on the fingers. He showed me a fine collection of glass, with enthusiasm something while commenting. It was in Cologne. I went out with a good mood and thought that everything is not all people are and the bad.
There are good Germans, but it is rather an exception!

With Nelly Smirnova I personally do not know, but heard about it the most favorable reviews. In addition to it, unfortunately, there are other employees.
And by your words "... see for yourself and choose. No you do not podsovyvaet.Sam pierced, then with yourself and ask. " subscribe to 100%! Oh, if all thought so! ..

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Сообщение от Sandro

...
However, such baseless attacks and allegations, I, personally, do not forgive.
That's all!

And you call me to a duel .

[Сергеич]

mentioned here Upssalsky auction is aimed mainly at Russian clients. What is this "Russian client" in the vast majority? I saw with my own eyes: bumpkin with raspaltsovkoy and their ladies, hung with diamonds from the top to tail and outgoing blue steam in their sables not removed even in the room.

But this is rude. Stamp on the stamp, up to this point, Mrs. Eriksson, read your texts with familiar neutral rather "+".
Now no. And you want to after such rounding your words someone taken seriously?
If honest Swedes can not properly assess the paintings so be honest and say that eksperizy we do not, then customers will be properly oriented. I remember how, after adjustment all in one voice toldychili all honest and well-organized "there" and as a roguish and obscenely here.
Strongly differently.

Cyril Syzransky
Lord dealers themselves do not lie, do not attempt here that among his brother-dealer look "white and fluffy, when the whole down-chicken-fox on the muzzle !!!

But in the opposite direction does not bend properly, all around the fair, and we alone are crooks, including you certain? And from your posts is such a conclusion and can be done.

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Сообщение от Eriksson

And by your phrase "... see for yourself and choose. No you do not podsovyvaet.Sam pierced, then with yourself and ask." subscribe to 100%! Oh, if all thought so! ..

And here and think of nothing, it is usually many auctions.
For example, the rules of AD Gelos:

unwavering principle of our auction is "Viewed, Approved, Purchased" - after tendering the claim for the items purchased are not accepted. In case of refusal to buy the lot will be charged a penalty of 30%of the amount of care. For subjects who are bidding for a fall until the selling price claims are not accepted.

http://www.gelos.ru/rules/#sub1

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Сообщение от Sergeyitch

And from your posts is such a conclusion and can be done.

You can do one of my posts any conclusions.

[tivoli]

What is it, all foreigners being disenfranchised. Law for them does not work with neme tskoy accuracy for the Swedes. And the Swedes have their zamorochki Swede with the prefix in the names of "background" faster 10 times than the Swede will work without this prefix.