Drawing paper, charcoal?

[раскатов]

Interesting post!
It turned out that this portrait is drawn on paper, which was used in the 3rd quarter of the 19 century.
Presumably, a portrait of Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna (1806-1873), wife of Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich, the younger son of Emperor Paul I. Established - 1860's.

[Allena]

rolls, and on what basis you make such an assumption? Portrait resemblance? Or is there more serious reasons? Share, please, your thoughts, if possible.

[Wladzislaw]

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Supposedly, a portrait of Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna (1806-1873)

Your lady and the Grand Duchess - from different universes.

[Вивьен]

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Your lady and the Grand Duchess - from different universes.

100 %.......

[K-Maler]

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It turns out that this portrait is drawn on paper, which was used in the 3rd quarter of the 19 century.
Presumably, a portrait of Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna (1806-1873), wife of Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich, the younger son of Emperor Paul I. Established - 1860's.
Miniatures

Time - yes, it seems (to suit) that is. Even this seems like a widow, on her head not just a scarf, but something more complex, and facial expression. For Vel.Knyagini it is too poorly dressed, visible edge of the modest dress and no jewelry. It is doubtful that the lady of the ruling house allowed to portray themselves as ...

[Мимопроходил]

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Presumably, a portrait of Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna ...

It is doubtful that a princess of the European obrzovaniem and taste might well look like. This woman knew the value of a good portrait - it is not just drawing Bryullov, V. Gau, Lagrenee Jr., and even a dozen artists of that time. Personality something very remarkable was.

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With regard to "see Elena Pavlovna, where there is none" - came across the story of portretotom by Alessandro Molinari from the museum collection to them. Pushkin. Long believed that it - VK Elena Palovna. Hereinafter:
"German artist Alexander Molinari (1772-1831) worked in St. Petersburg from 1806 to 1816. The catalog was published signed (Molinari), but not dated watercolor portrait of Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna (...). On the origin of the portrait is known only that He joined the museum in late 1920 ¬ ies of the Leningrad State Museum Fund, which fell a work of art from private collections and grand. Externally, the lady at the Moscow portrait is quite different from a reliable picture of the Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna of paintings of Charles Brullov, Christine Robertson, Joseph Kura and prints by Ivan Ceska, Roman Kuryatnikova. Comparison of the date of the possible photo opportunities Elena Pavlovna A. Molinari and the residence time of the artist in Russia leads to the same result: Molinari left Russia in 1816, when the future Russian grand duchess was 10 and lived it in a small German principality.

Depicted in watercolors lady has an undoubted resemblance to another "Russian German girl" - Grand Duchess Alexandra Feodorovna, wife of Grand Duke Nicholas, who ruled under the name of Nicholas I. Alexandra Feodorovna, born Princess Frederica Louise Charlotte Wilhelmina, ... "

Now this rbota listed as "A. Molinari. Portrait of Grand Duchess Alexandra Feodorovna. 1820."

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Regarding poverty attire. And here, I do not agree, the lady dressed in a rich dress with lace and ruffles at the neck a pearl necklace.
Here's one of the last portraits of Elena Pavlovna.
Everyone thank you very much for the interesting and meaningful conversation.

[Allena]

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all thank you very much for the interesting and meaningful conversation.

Raskatov! You are very elegantly gave us to understand that they end the conversation , but at least just tell me (if I do not want to disclose the card), if you have any other reason other than a close resemblance, to consider lady in the picture Elena Pavlovna?

[раскатов]

The portrait was inserted, while in a chic gilded moldings, which I missed, where the size of a 65 x 65. Thing is not imported.
Like this, but prettier.
I left only the rear cover.
Who could put in a frame of "poor" woman.
Let this enigmatic portrait remain nameless.