On the correctness of the list of "12 most expensive Russian artists"

[NATA NOVA]

Pavel, I'm sorry. darling, but it is already so chew (well known) that do not even know how to answer (well, remember the bull, horns, hooves, gold ... sharks. Butterflies ..)
I do not understand the question, are you do not read? (here not want to know, and it does not work ..)

[Pavel]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Pavel, I'm sorry. darling, but it is already so chew (well known) that do not even know how to answer (well, remember the bull, horns, hooves, gold ... sharks. Butterflies ..)
I do not understand the question, are you do not read? (here not want to know and do not get ..)

I therefore ask that tsenyodnogo auction and even a few do not give and sometimes distort the price for a specific purpose. Just compare prices from different sources give a realistic picture. Do not listen to what they say should be dismantled.

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

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Chatterbox

 Barto AL

With gossip Lida, they say,
This Vovka invented.
And talk to me when something?
I have no time to chat!

Dramatic circle, the circle on the photo
Horkruzhok - I sing hunting,
For circle on the drawing
Also all voted.

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And Mary Markovna said,
When I came yesterday from the audience:
"Dramatic circle, the circle on the photo
This is too much for something.

Choose yourself, my dear,
One of any circle.

Well, I have chosen for the photo ...
But I still sing and hunting
And for the circle on the drawing
Also all voted.

What chatterbox Lida, they say,
This Vovka invented.
And talk to me when something?
I have no time to chat!

I am now to old age
In our class headman.
And what I want?
Become guys pilots.

Climb stratospheric balloon ...
What is it, by the way?
Maybe it's stratospheric balloon,
When the headman fly?

What chatterbox Lida, they say,
This Vovka invented.
And talk to me when something?
I have no time to chat!

I still have loads
In German and in Russian.

We were given the task --
Reading and Grammar.
I sit looking out the window
And suddenly there I see the boy.

He says: "Come here,
I'll give iris.
And I say: "I have loads
In German and in Russian. "

And he said: "Come here,
I'll give iris.

What chatterbox Lida, they say,
This Vovka invented.
And talk to me when something?
I have no time to chat!

[sergejnowo]

Tjutchev, you are evil.

[DimaB]

Сообщение от LCR

Well, in conclusion - the inferiority complex from which you started the story: do not see, do not say not to protest, finally, against the silence and belittling the role of Russia in world culture - that's where I see manifestation of this complex.

I do not know, I somehow did not pin the idea of a worldwide conspiracy directed against Russia and in general "silence and belittling. Let's admit, we are not so great in the field of fine art, not counting the beginning of XX "We're not about literature, you are talking about. The music, not about the ballet, finally.
For some reason I remember the first time I saw live, in my opinion, in London's National Gallery to Turner Constable - crazy painting hands, at first, and powerful high modeled relief images paint a second. And for years looked. Home XIX. We have at this time Sylvester Shchedrin in Italy studying.
Or Pre-Raphaelites. They can not love, but compare the dates: early 50's. In France after 10 years will begin to work Impressionists. And we have a 63-m will be a revolt of 14 in AX. And then - Kramskoi to send "The Stranger". And "Life Is Everywhere" Yaroshenko.
What kind of protests there!

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Pavel, this is not the word "porn" and of "Parnassus" ...

Class! Thank you, Nathan, was amused. Although, I think, the true potriotu such trifles pabarabanu ...

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Сообщение от Pavel

I therefore ask that tsenyodnogo auction and even a few do not give and sometimes distort the price for a specific purpose. Just compare prices from different sources give a realistic picture. Do not listen to what they say should be dismantled.

Listen, but this is a specific plot. And the prices are distorted, and the elephant killed a ... It is time to understand

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от LCR

But the curious thing: in the references to the musicians can read that Sviatoslav Richter and David Oistrakh is now the number of Ukrainian pianist and violinist, in a time when the same references, Vladimir Horowitz and Jascha Heifetz are defined as an American pianist and violinist of Ukrainian origin, and my beloved friend of the pianist and composer Alika Rabinovich, accidentally born in Baku, generally called the Azerbaijani composer.

No matter what is written in these newfangled little books! The main thing really is! But in fact all those people you listed, wrought in the heart of Russian culture! But Russian culture is part of the world. It does not matter which ethnic group belongs to a particular artist, the notion of "Russian" has long lost its narrow national importance, becoming a civilization indeed. vividly confirmed - works of the great Russian poet Osip Mandelstam Jew! For example, the poem "Here monstrance, a golden sun ..." is so steeped Russianness and so capacious expresses the essence of Russian culture that doubts about the cultural identity of that artist does not even arise.

That monstrance, a golden sun ...

 Osip Mandelstam

Here monstrance, as the golden sun,
Hung in the air - the perfect moment.
It should sound a Greek language:
Pick up a whole world as a simple apple.

Divine Worship solemn zenith,
Light in the circular edifice under the dome in July,
To fully breastfed beyond time we breathe
On the meadow where time does not run.


And the Eucharist, as the eternal noon, lasts --
All partake, play and sing,
And the sight of all the divine vessel
Inexhaustible mirth flows.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Tjutchev

M.

Pavel, glya-ka again name "is not ours" ...

[LCR]

Сообщение от DimaB

I do not know, I somehow did not pin the idea of a worldwide conspiracy directed against Russia and in general "silence and belittling". Let's admit, we are not so great in the field of fine art, not counting the beginning of XX We are not about literature, you are talking about. The music, not about the ballet, finally.
For some reason I remember the first time I saw live, in my opinion, in London's National Gallery to Turner Constable - crazy painting hands, at first, and powerful high modeled relief images paint a second. And for years looked. Home XIX. We have at this time Sylvester Shchedrin in Italy studying.
Or Pre-Raphaelites. They can not love, but compare the dates: early 50's. In France after 10 years will begin to work Impressionists. And we have a 63-m will be a revolt of 14 in AX. And then - Kramskoi to send "The Stranger". And "Life Is Everywhere" Yaroshenko.

Willingly agree with you in assessing the fine art of Russia until the end of the XIX century, the provincial and secondary art, I'm talking about this since its arrival at the forum, and stuffed it in a few cones. The situation is completely changed in the early twentieth century, as you correctly noted.

I'm not a fan of the theory of global conspiracy. Yes, actually, and I refer to the information contained here other forumistom - Ranzherom (well, and something else for what ). I will not be repeated - with Ranzherom revise our previous posts, all, in my opinion, it is clear in the end, take a directory of artists and musicians - of any European /American, does not necessarily work of German historians - you'll see that it's not my fantasy, this is the case, as I described. I think it preferable to talk not about "a conspiracy against Russia, and the mandatory now for political correctness regionalism.

P.S. Pre-Raphaelite - which is just looking through yesterday (with a specific and practical purpose) - honestly, not a fountain, almost everything else in the Europe of the XIX century is better, but I do so, to the word.

[DimaB]

Сообщение от LCR

I think it preferable to talk not about "a conspiracy against Russia, and the mandatory now for political correctness regionalism.

Сообщение от LCR

willingly agree with you in assessing the fine art of Russia until the end of the XIX century, the provincial and secondary art, I'm talking about this since its arrival at the forum, and stuffed it in a few cones. The situation is completely changed in the early twentieth century, as you correctly noted.

Thank you, we really completely secondary to the very end of XX. Alas ! "Usually, such conversations cause why a furious reaction from most fans of Russian art. Therefore to talk about are not directly wanted.
As for "regionalism" - any political correctness initially false and distasteful.
As for the Pre-Raphaelite ... Tastes all different. I was shaking the picturesque masterovitost these kids (Milles was less than 20, when he wrote things that would have envied Laktionov or Shilov). And - courage in dealing with large designs. This is - this rebellion, and completely different, regardless of the time, look at reality. Agree, it is not "The arrest of the propagandist.

[Маруся]

Well, surprise!
These wise men, and all the measures the on "culture, which grew up grain, and yet all live in a system of international law.
I have somewhere written that the nationality /citizenship to a person (and artist) has never depended on the place of birth or place of residence and nationality of the artist - is determined by citizenship.
Even the famous formulation of the American /French /German painter of Russian origin: means that Russia's citizen /subject or his parents decided to officially change citizenship from Russian to appropriate.
Discuss cultural influences can be infinite.
But only about the Ukrainian, Belarusian, and so artists can say with certainty only after a certain year. How would that independent Ukraine was not disgusting - against international law is no arguing!